cwald wrote:Jesus and Ghandi are stage 6, not stage 5. I don't understand stage 6 at all.
Don't feel bad, neither does Dr. Fowler. He openly admits in his book that his descriptions of Stage 6 are vague and unrefined at best. They are more like guesses at what probably should come next in the logical sequence of his theory. The main message I took from his ideas was an abstract concept of diving intensely back into the particulars of a faith content without reservations, and also being able to fully realize the Universal nature of that specific content, and play with it while so fully immersed in it. Pretty heady stuff...
I think Jesus was like that with Judaism. I also personally think Joseph Smith was like this at times with Christianity and European-Western World folk magic.
Yup. The hardest thing for most to get their head wrapped around is that Stage Theory is totally independent of specific religious teachings or practices. Stage Theory is strictly a description of HOW we process faith content, not what we believe.cwald wrote:From what I know of stage 5 and from the post I read, I dont think stage 5ers "don't care about money anymore." I don't think that was the message about stage 5.
Using a religious belief that money is the "root of all evil," and a teaching that we should not care about money as an example:
Stage 3 will not care about money anymore because that is pretty much what everyone believes. The right people do this, and they want to be in that category. They ARE in that category, just like everyone else around them believes, even though this is a deeply held personal belief of theirs. They may have even had emotional and spiritual experiences to confirm this from a loving God who wants to tell them all they need to know about life, because he watches over them and loves them. A loving Heavenly Father told us through the voice of his prophets to stop caring about money, so that we won't get hurt by it.
Stage 4 will not care about money anymore because THEY figured out that money is truly the root of all evil. If this clashes with their social group/church, then they will have cognitive dissonance and begin an uncomfortable relationship with their group. I mean GEEZ Louise! Why don't they all see it???!!!! They obviously don't understand how it really is -- the truth is that money is the root of all evil. The only solution is to stop caring about it. That is logical. You can't sometimes love it and sometimes hate it. It's one way or the other.
Stage 5 will not care about money anymore because it might be interesting to see what life is like without it. God probably doesn't care much one way or the other, as long as we experience something useful by trying it. They might stop caring about money because they like how this makes them feel, not so much because it matters, or that it is the "correct" practice, or that they are getting some eternal reward or punishment for it in the afterlife.
See what I mean? I gave examples of three completely different ways of HOW people in different stages might all be doing the same exact thing. When we look at them from the outside, it might be nearly impossible to tell them apart without having a deep and long conversation with them about it.