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AmyJ
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PazamaManX wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 13:17
Watcher wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 09:44 As much as I would like to be or think otherwise - in over 76 years of experience and with all my effort - the bless them that curse you thing -- I have not made much progresss. My father and my mother could do that and a few others I have known (my wife included and a couple of general authorities I have know personally). I am not sure I can figure it out before I die - hopefully begging for mercy will help - it is about all I have left as hope in such things.


I'm not as far along as you are, but I also can say that I haven't had much success with figuring that one out. The best I can do is 'ignore them that curse you'. I have a long way to go to before I get to 'bless them'.
I've gotten as far as "suspend instant contempt at their reasoning in the face of those who curse me - they have their reason(s) and hopefully I can sort it all out" or "Give up my rationalized right to hurt them because they hurt me".

But honestly, I figure that the real point behind the words "bless them" in that context is "control your actions in the moment of pain/fear/rage/anger so that when all those emotions are spent, you kept everyone safe and haven't burned any connections with people beyond repair (should you choose to repair the relationship and connect to them).".
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Re: Compare & Contrast...

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AmyJ wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 13:53
PazamaManX wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 13:17
Watcher wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 09:44 As much as I would like to be or think otherwise - in over 76 years of experience and with all my effort - the bless them that curse you thing -- I have not made much progresss. My father and my mother could do that and a few others I have known (my wife included and a couple of general authorities I have know personally). I am not sure I can figure it out before I die - hopefully begging for mercy will help - it is about all I have left as hope in such things.


I'm not as far along as you are, but I also can say that I haven't had much success with figuring that one out. The best I can do is 'ignore them that curse you'. I have a long way to go to before I get to 'bless them'.
I've gotten as far as "suspend instant contempt at their reasoning in the face of those who curse me - they have their reason(s) and hopefully I can sort it all out" or "Give up my rationalized right to hurt them because they hurt me".

But honestly, I figure that the real point behind the words "bless them" in that context is "control your actions in the moment of pain/fear/rage/anger so that when all those emotions are spent, you kept everyone safe and haven't burned any connections with people beyond repair (should you choose to repair the relationship and connect to them).".
We could look at Matthew 5:44 as a list of options - bless them or do good to them or pray for them. Praying is a fairly easy thing, but I'd probably end up praying that a boulder falls on their head or something. :twisted: There are a couple interesting things about this scripture and I only quoted one verse sort of out of context. The next verse I quote pretty often:
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
The other thing is other translations abbreviate verse 44:

NRSV and ESV:
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
NIV:
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
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Re: Compare & Contrast...

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Watcher wrote: 20 Sep 2022, 14:41 I am pleased beyond measure that the Church is not politically active in the USA nor does the church support any political party or candidate in the USA.
It's not all glorious wisdom the church it's that way -- if they start going political they could lose their charitable organization status and have to pay taxes.

Also, I wasn't suggesting the church goes political, just that more new and up-to-date ideas would come forth from our supposedly inspired leadership to help us deal with the unique challenges of our day. Something perhaps a little more forward-thinking than "gratitude".

It seems they are more interested in preserving the faith of the members. I'm also a grumpy old bear this evening, so pay no heed :x
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