In a recent interview Elder Christofferson defined this question as supporting organized efforts that oppose the church, and I feel comfortable in extending his answer to say being friendly to people from these organizations (loose "affiliation") is not the same as joining the effort.
He also said expressing personal opinions that do not agree with the position of the church is not grounds to withhold a TR based on this question -- if it is not accompanied by joining an organized effort.
TR Question Survey - Question 7: Affiliating with Apostates
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I first found faith, and thought I had all truth. I then discovered doubt, and claimed a more accurate truth. Now I’ve greeted paradox and a deeper truth than I have ever known.
I first found faith, and thought I had all truth. I then discovered doubt, and claimed a more accurate truth. Now I’ve greeted paradox and a deeper truth than I have ever known.
Re: TR Question Survey - Question 7: Affiliating with Aposta
It also is important to note that disagreement over belief and support of a general issue or movement is totally different than active opposition to a specific organization.
In other words, someone can support gay marriage, actively, for example, and not oppose the LDS Church itself. That isn't splitting hairs; it is a really important distinction that Elder Christofferson articulated. Many won't be able to comprehend the distinction, since black-and-white thinkers struggle with nuance, but it is what he meant, I am positive.
In other words, someone can support gay marriage, actively, for example, and not oppose the LDS Church itself. That isn't splitting hairs; it is a really important distinction that Elder Christofferson articulated. Many won't be able to comprehend the distinction, since black-and-white thinkers struggle with nuance, but it is what he meant, I am positive.
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Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Is it a game? Dang, I never thought about it that way. Is the "prize" a TR?hawkgrrrl wrote:Like I have often told employees "If you're explaining, you're losing."Mike wrote:In the context of a TR Interview, always go with the short answer.

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To me it is not a game.
My goal is to make it through the interview process with no complications.
I don't lie. If I have issues that I need clarified, I don't do it during the TR interview.
I always answer yes or no & move on.
My goal is to make it through the interview process with no complications.
I don't lie. If I have issues that I need clarified, I don't do it during the TR interview.
I always answer yes or no & move on.
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Just saw this long thread and read a fair amount of it.
The imprecision of language in these types of questions is VERY irritating. Back when I answered them, I had to do mental gymnastics to make it work. And, I never felt like my bishop or SP was qualified to really articulate what those questions meant in the first place.
The imprecision of language in these types of questions is VERY irritating. Back when I answered them, I had to do mental gymnastics to make it work. And, I never felt like my bishop or SP was qualified to really articulate what those questions meant in the first place.
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Well, work is a game, and that's why I tell people "If you're explaining, you're losing." The TR interview isn't a game, but it's also not a Barbara Walters special. People need to learn to just answer the questions. We're Mormons. We should be comfortable with silences. We've sat through enough F&T meetings.
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I'm laughing. I love the silence, because I like to look around with a smile and see who is freaking out.hawkgrrrl wrote: We should be comfortable with silences. We've sat through enough F&T meetings.
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If we can accept this, without dismissing the important role their calling has and how we can sustain them in it, I think it really helps us to approach the questions correctly without putting undue burden on our souls.Rob4Hope wrote:I never felt like my bishop or SP was qualified to really articulate what those questions meant in the first place.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."
Re: TR Question Survey - Question 7: Affiliating with Apostates
I saw a youtube video from an LDS church apologist that listed this question in the context of supporting LGBTQ efforts:
Emphasis in the original. I share it here because I couldn't disagree more. Setting aside the LGBTQ aspects, I am fundamentally opposed to just vomiting a laundry list of anything and everything upon the bishop and then having him judge you worthy or ... not.
I heartily recommend that everyone review the TR questions and go to the bishop for the TR interview when they are prepared to answer the questions with simple yes or no answers.
Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine are contrary to those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
So if a person thinks that gay sexual behavior is morally legitimate or that gender can be changed through a social transition then an honest person will admit that to their bishop and the bishop gets to make the judgment if such belief disqualify them from temple attendance.
Emphasis in the original. I share it here because I couldn't disagree more. Setting aside the LGBTQ aspects, I am fundamentally opposed to just vomiting a laundry list of anything and everything upon the bishop and then having him judge you worthy or ... not.
I heartily recommend that everyone review the TR questions and go to the bishop for the TR interview when they are prepared to answer the questions with simple yes or no answers.
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“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223
"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13