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Re: Conference coming up

Post by nibbler » 30 Mar 2021, 14:23

Do any of the various versions have licensing fee considerations? I bet something like that would factor into any decision.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by nibbler » 30 Mar 2021, 14:40

Related to the modified scriptures discussion...

10 years or so ago the church produced their own version of the Spanish Bible based on the Reina-Valera.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... h?lang=eng

I'm not sure how much of a departure the LDS Reina-Valera is from the revision of the Reina-Valera it was based on. It sounds like the bulk of the effort was standardizing chapter headings and footnotes to match what's found in the English Bible.

So you never know. Maybe the church will produce their own translation.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by On Own Now » 30 Mar 2021, 14:55

nibbler wrote:
30 Mar 2021, 14:23
Do any of the various versions have licensing fee considerations? I bet something like that would factor into any decision.
Great point. The NRSV is copyrighted by the Nacional Council of Churches in the USA. I'm sure there would be some fee associated with the Church publishing it in their own binding. However, I believe the intent is for such a fee to be to defray the cost of translation and ongoing updates, so that seems to me like it would be reasonable.

At the risk of sounding cynical, I imagine the Church could purchase the NCC in the morning, give themselves rights to publish the NRSV at noon, and sell the NCC that afternoon — and all the while, the lights would go no dimmer in the Conference Center.

A more practical way would be for the LDS Church to join the NCC as a contributing member, make a couple-Million-dollar donation, pledge future translation assistance, and by so doing, gain access to the copyright. The current 38 member churches of the NCC include the Presbyterian Church (USA), United Methodist Church, several competing Baptist Conventions, and... the Community of Christ.

But the most likely way would be to make a simple donation to the NCC. I doubt the NCC would walk away from $5M for the LDS Church to gain permanent rights to publish the NRSV. Maybe the Church throws in some Mark Hofmann forgeries to sweeten the deal.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by SamBee » 30 Mar 2021, 15:07

PazamaManX wrote:
27 Mar 2021, 12:30
With conference next weekend, I'm curious if anyone here has anything that they are expecting


A lot of talks about the pandemic and all the restrictions.
or hoping for?
Talks which don't mention the pandemic and all the restrictions.

I won't be upset if someone shows a picture of a nurse. But I will be if it turns into a whole Stockholm Syndrome scenario. In fact I'm not sure I want to see endless shots of people with needles in their arms.

There is very little to recommend this situation nor many of the solutions. It certainly is not uplifting in most cases.

So putting the elephant in the room aside, what else? More temples. A reform to primary. The usual stories about childhood and spouses.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by SamBee » 30 Mar 2021, 15:38

NoahVail wrote:
29 Mar 2021, 14:51
I'd welcome some instruction about making chapels a sanctuary from politics - that led to meaningfully less politics from the stand.
Ooh, a difficult one. Party politics, yes, but the rest. Not so easy. Politics blends into many things. I think freedom of religion, and religious practice, is a legitimate topic, for example. It might get a bit thornier when someone talks about the Royal Family in Commonwealth Countries.

I was in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and heard an opening prayer which mentioned something about the "security services". Now, while I don't support the IRA, I can see that phrase not going down well with anyone from a Roman Catholic/Republican background, because the British "security services" are widely seen as persecuting that community or even as an occupation force.
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1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Conference coming up

Post by NoahVail » 30 Mar 2021, 22:06

SamBee wrote:
30 Mar 2021, 15:38
NoahVail wrote:
29 Mar 2021, 14:51
I'd welcome some instruction about making chapels a sanctuary from politics - that led to meaningfully less politics from the stand.
Ooh, a difficult one. Party politics, yes, but the rest. Not so easy.
Here, politics is whatever divides most of us. Party politics is a party leveraging those issues.
Sometimes a party will spin a neutral issue until it divides us but preexisting animosity is generally easier to work with.
SamBee wrote:
30 Mar 2021, 15:38
I was in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and heard an opening prayer which mentioned something about the "security services". Now, while I don't support the IRA, I can see that phrase not going down well with anyone from a Roman Catholic/Republican background, because the British "security services" are widely seen as persecuting that community or even as an occupation force.
That really seems like a prayer that would have been a better fit anywhere else. A more inclusive prayer could ask that officials be blessed.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by NoahVail » 30 Mar 2021, 22:21

Arrakeen wrote:
28 Mar 2021, 07:15
Personally, I think they're going to have to announce a huge shift in full-time missions in the near future. Hopefully making them more service and humanitarian focused with less proselyting.
For a decade or two, our ward strongly resisted contributing to the community. I wonder if missions like this could have softened those hearts.

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Re: Conference coming up

Post by NoahVail » 30 Mar 2021, 23:06

SamBee wrote:
28 Mar 2021, 17:00
I really don't think I can stomach a Covid conference. This disease has already done enough harm, not only medically and economically but in letting evil people take advantage in this situation.
I'm remembering when the Romney nomination brought evangelical religious bigotry to the surface. Even tho anti-LDS animosity had long been pervasive within Christianity, it wasn't fully embraced by the majority. That helped bring about a happy ending, where long-held hostility withered in sunshine and became less acceptable.

I had held out some hope that the same sort of factious animosity (further highlighted by Covid) would have withered as well. I now fear it is widespread and self-sustaining to a point that it regenerates as fast as sunshine can bake it away.

I wish conference talks would speak to this animosity with the same clarity that past talks have given for porn - that being another harm that saturated wards and degraded relationships.

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Re: Conference coming up

Post by DarkJedi » 31 Mar 2021, 05:55

NoahVail wrote:
30 Mar 2021, 23:06
SamBee wrote:
28 Mar 2021, 17:00
I really don't think I can stomach a Covid conference. This disease has already done enough harm, not only medically and economically but in letting evil people take advantage in this situation.
I'm remembering when the Romney nomination brought evangelical religious bigotry to the surface. Even tho anti-LDS animosity had long been pervasive within Christianity, it wasn't fully embraced by the majority. That helped bring about a happy ending, where long-held hostility withered in sunshine and became less acceptable.

I had held out some hope that the same sort of factious animosity (further highlighted by Covid) would have withered as well. I now fear it is widespread and self-sustaining to a point that it regenerates as fast as sunshine can bake it away.

I wish conference talks would speak to this animosity with the same clarity that past talks have given for porn - that being another harm that saturated wards and degraded relationships.
This sort of goes along with the part of the discussion about standard scriptures. In above posts the NCC is mentioned as license holder of the NRSV. Yes, I do see the point that the NCC might want our money - but at the same time I'm not sure they want us. I could very well see them saying something like "Thanks, but no thanks." It's all hypothetical anyway of course.
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Re: Conference coming up

Post by PazamaManX » 31 Mar 2021, 08:16

Arrakeen wrote:
28 Mar 2021, 07:15
Personally, I think they're going to have to announce a huge shift in full-time missions in the near future. Hopefully making them more service and humanitarian focused with less proselyting.
I think this would be fantastic if it happened. Had my mission been like this I might have actually enjoyed it. I am coming more and more to the opinion that sending a bunch of kids just out of high school to be spiritual salesmen is a net negative for how much good vs harm it does. I think so much more good would come of it for everyone if missions were service oriented.

SamBee wrote:
28 Mar 2021, 17:00
I really don't think I can stomach a Covid conference. This disease has already done enough harm, not only medically and economically but in letting evil people take advantage in this situation.
I feel the same. I've long since had my fill of anything related to the pandemic. Any talk that focuses on that will probably be an intermission for me.
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