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Re: What brings you joy?

Post by Roy » 22 Jul 2020, 16:00

Minyan Man wrote:
22 Jul 2020, 08:29
Is there anything about church that brings you joy?
I believe that "quality of life" elements bring joy.

I believe that the church contributes to my quality of life in 3 major areas:

1) Community. Feelings of relationship and belongingness are important. It takes a village to raise a child and all that jazz.

2) Meaning and Purpose. The church does not give me as much in this category as it once did. Still, many of the terms I use to explore my purpose and meaning in the universe are fundamentally Mormon.

3) Safety net. In some ways this is related to community. I imagine the church as a vague sense of insurance program. the theory is that you help others when they are in need and they will return the favor in your own time of need.
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Re: What brings you joy?

Post by Heber13 » 23 Jul 2020, 09:01

Roy wrote:
22 Jul 2020, 16:00
2) Meaning and Purpose. The church does not give me as much in this category as it once did. Still, many of the terms I use to explore my purpose and meaning in the universe are fundamentally Mormon.

I feel the same way. I am not sure if it is because as I age, I see things in life that I learn from outside church, or if times are changing, or if I just see it differently now after faith exploration.

I'm not sure why, but I don't find the church has as much to offer in this area...but I guess still some.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: What brings you joy?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 23 Jul 2020, 18:59

My wife and kids

Helping people

Learning new things

Most other things fit into those three categories.
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Re: What brings you joy?

Post by SilentDawning » 24 Jul 2020, 14:49

I find joy in self-actualization. This means I have a vision of myself I would like to accomplish. And when I make that vision come to pass, it creates a euphoric kind of joy for a while. Not false euphoria, but a feeling of deep satisfaction. I felt this way after I held my first gig with a group of professional musicians. I felt extremely satisfied at what I had accomplished, finally, being able to call myself a semi-pro musician.

Certain possessions bring me joy, at least for a while. This happened when I purchased and learned to play an upright bass, and when I purchased and learned to play a digital wind instrument.

In decades past, I felt joy in teaching the gospel and having people accept it. The Holy Ghost can fill your Spirit with joy. I also find joy in thinking positive thoughts, sometimes during EMDR therapy (Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) therapy. I've written extensively on that experience here in other threads.

When I achieve a big accomplishment, that will often bring joy for a little while.
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Re: What brings you joy?

Post by Minyan Man » 31 Jul 2020, 17:40

I'm curious, along this same topic: what brings fulfillment to your life?
By definition fulfillment can mean: to witness the fulfillment of a dream; to achieve fulfillment of one's hopes.

This probably changes with the phase we are in our life. For example:
- when I was a teenager, it was a drivers license.
- when I was in High School or college, it was the diploma.
- when I got a professional job, it was finding a position that was challenging & rewarding.
- when I got married, it was the quality of our relationship as it developed over time.
- when I became retired, it was being financially ready to meet the challenges at the end of my life.

Now I'm close to the end & I wonder: has my life been fulfilling? Is there more I could of done?'
I'll start with the last question first:

Is there more I could of done? yes, absolutely. Not in terms of church callings but I could of done more relating to my
family, children & fellowmen (& women). Everything else is secondary.

has my life been fulfilling? yes again. It has been very fulfilling to see my children grow up, marry & have children of their own.
They are reasonably happy. They have had their own challenges in life & come out whole on the other side.

My life can be described as a "worker bee" not the head bee. Give me a task to do & if I feel I can contribute, I will commit everything to
complete the task. That is true of my professional life as well as my church life. I hope this makes sense. The past few weeks have been
a period of self reflection.

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