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Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 11 Jul 2020, 20:32
by Minyan Man
I was thinking today how odd this whole situation is & our relationship to church.
- No sacrament meetings. No meetings at all.
- No visits from members popping in.
- No missionary work that I'm aware of.
- No baptisms.
- No ward socials or other social activities.
- Very few temples are open. None in our area.
- No trips to the temple.
- No rumors.
- Some family history & indexing working. (I found out I'm 9th cousin to Linda Ronstadt.)

Covid 19 positive tests are at an all time high for the past 3 days.
I don't expect this to end anytime soon.

A side note: I went to Menards today & ran into a member of our ward. I'm surprised that we recognized each
other with the masks on.

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 11 Jul 2020, 20:50
by nibbler
I'm genuinely surprised we still don't have a weekly church-wide message from a GA. Nothing major, maybe one talk from a lower GA and one talk from a Q15. It would be over three months before a Q15 member would have to give another talk. The church certainly has the ability to pull off something like that.

If it's a correlation/translation issue, just prime the pump. Have those departments work on talks that will go out next month while talks that were worked on the month prior are given.

Maybe the argument against is that members can always watch historic general conference talks, but historic general conference talks do little to address contemporary issues and challenges.

Maybe they would have done this but thought that this situation wouldn't last as long as it has (and will).

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 13 Jul 2020, 05:50
by LookingHard
Minyan Man wrote:
11 Jul 2020, 20:32
...
- Some family history & indexing working. (I found out I'm 9th cousin to Linda Ronstadt.)
...
What did you say when you found that out? Did you say of family history, "I't so easy" even though you looked for a "Long, long time"? :D

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 13 Jul 2020, 07:09
by Minyan Man
I heard her say: "Poor, Poor pitiful me".

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 27 Sep 2020, 20:42
by Minyan Man
I had to bring this up one more time. I participated in our ward's virtual sacrament meeting today. There was also a combined on line meeting for
EQ, RS, YM & YW. Our SP & Regional Rep seem to be pushing for more in person participation. We live in an area where the numbers of
infections & deaths are increasing with no state or local solutions insight. To the credit of our Bishopric, they are not pushing for more
in person meetings. The virtual meetings are really sad. After every speaker, someone comes up & sprays Lysol on the microphone.
The meetings & talks are short & it is difficult for the speakers to develop a balanced talk without running over.
General Conference is coming up soon too. I'm betting there will be fewer members watching.

I personally do not foresee this pandemic getting better anytime soon. When we do get back together, there will have to be huge changes.
. The membership has changed with new move ins & others that moved out.
. Organizations will have to be changed because of the membership changes.
. New levels of activity will have to be made.
. Few members are doing family history, temple work, missionary work, fellowshipping.
. Financial contributions must be lower as a result too.
. Fewer Ministry activities (except for phone calls).
. I'm sure there are YM & YW delaying missionary commitments too.
. General commitments & attitudes must be changes along the way.

These are strange times to be living.

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 18 Oct 2020, 10:33
by Minyan Man
Our ward had Sacrament Mtg again today. Both in person & virtual. We stayed home & watched it virtually.
A good friend gave one of the talks. As he finished, I sent him a text message from my home saying: Nice talk.
These are indeed strange times. Will we ever get back to normal?

This just reinforces to me how important human contact is. "Virtual" just doesn't cut it for me.

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 18 Oct 2020, 18:39
by Arrakeen
I think a lot of wards are desperate to get back to normal. My parents’ ward just announced they’re going to start sacrament meetings with full attendance, even as their state sets new records for number of new COVID cases. So they and a few other families emailed the bishop and said they’re not comfortable attending with that many people. It seems like COVID may be making people more willing to push back against local leadership.

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 18 Oct 2020, 20:41
by Minyan Man
We should push back when we don't feel comfortable & especially when we don't feel safe.

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 05:00
by DarkJedi
Minyan Man wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 10:33
Our ward had Sacrament Mtg again today. Both in person & virtual. We stayed home & watched it virtually.
A good friend gave one of the talks. As he finished, I sent him a text message from my home saying: Nice talk.
These are indeed strange times. Will we ever get back to normal?

This just reinforces to me how important human contact is. "Virtual" just doesn't cut it for me.
We also had SM yesterday, our second time on the every-other-week plan. There is not a virtual option for us, although I'm positive our ward has the capability. We are still authorized to do the sacrament at home. Since we've gone to every other week, ward members have been asked to give the spiritual thought instead of the bishopric as it was prior. The bishopric ones were usually only about 2-3 minutes, less than 5. Last time the ward member did similar. Yesterday however I knew we were in trouble immediately when I heard the name and she stood up carrying pages of paper. She had prepared a full length talk. :roll:

Prior to yesterday I actually had enjoyed (as much as possible) the 30 minute meetings with the "Music and the Spoken Word" like thought. If there was a virtual option I might do it. With cases on the rise in my area (we have more now than we have ever had) I'm in no rush to get back to full attendance/full meetings.

FWIW, my son's ward, in another part of the country (not Utah) also went to full attendance/full hour SM starting yesterday and they are likewise seeing a surge in cases.

I get that for many (most?) people the social part of church is at least as important as anything else (not for me though). But what happens when church members start getting sick?

Re: How will the Church change in light of the Covid Virus?

Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 05:02
by DarkJedi
Arrakeen wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 18:39
I think a lot of wards are desperate to get back to normal. My parents’ ward just announced they’re going to start sacrament meetings with full attendance, even as their state sets new records for number of new COVID cases. So they and a few other families emailed the bishop and said they’re not comfortable attending with that many people. It seems like COVID may be making people more willing to push back against local leadership.
I'm glad your parents and others had the gumption to do this.