Bear wrote: ↑
06 Jan 2019, 14:42
SamBee, I so agree with everything you say. Sometimes, it feels like people are assuming bad things about what words are used, when in reality, it is the intention.
It feels like communication is littered with such traps nowadays. The odd thing is that I knew a few older people some years ago who used very un-pc language like "darkie" etc yet didn't have an intense hatred of non-white people. They were less conscious in what they said, but there was plenty of genuine bigotry about.
Now we have a situation where it is like walking over a minefield and even apparently neutral language can be flipped.
Intention makes a lot of difference - words like boy, woman, grandfather etc can all take on very different meanings with different intentions.
I also think that the people being affected by gender pronounce (gender fluid) are such a minority, that it feels like a complete waste of time to try to adjust language. It feels like a kind of narcissism to me sometimes.
If I knew X person, personally, and he/she/whatever wanted me to call her/him whatever by a specific pronoun, I would gladly do it. But having to police my own words all the time, is nonsense to me.
Exactly. There is a lot of attention seeking now. If someone wants to change their gender identity then that is nothing to do with me, but we can at least come up with some common ground, because I've no interest in bashing heads with them all the time.
I know someone - a teenager who was assigned female at birth, who wishes to be known as a boy, yet also self-describes as non-binary from time to time. There has been no medical procedures so far. Boy suggests "he" to me, whereas non-binary suggests yet another pronoun. Result? I rarely talk about said person (who is highly sensitive anyway).
I do not see a problem with saying albino instead of person with albino condition. To me, that is the exact same thing as saying that she is phillipino, he is danish, she is black, he is a doctor etc etc. people are assuming that I am somehow putting race, gender, country of origin or professions, higher than the person behind it. I don't. And I would assume that 99% of the people I have ever known, wouldn't do so either.
I had to describe someone to the missionaries today. I mentioned he was black and wore a certain type of sweater. If I had just mentioned the sweater, or said "the man with the short dark hair", then they wouldn't know who I meant. I've never spoken to this man, so I can't tell you what he even sounds like.
I think with albinism, it is so uncommon that there is no organized movement against it like there is for racism (except in south east Africa - it is common there and such people are murdered). I think the main prejudice there is against just looking different. But to me albinism and albino are clearly forms of the same root word. I don't believe albino was ever truly a hate term.
I want my intention to count. Otherwise you can be offended by XYZ all day long, if you never look into what people actually mean with specific words.
I used to be much more left leaning in matters like this, but have recently changed. I really think, that if we change to much of society (language etc) based on whom ever would be offended, we all lose, because everyone can be offended.
That is not to say that no adjustment should ever be done, but I think the current focus on political correctness and the new more radical left+radical feminism, is hurting everyone and we fail to have true meaningful conversations/stating real opinions, because everyone is walking on eggshells.
Sorry, going a bit off topic here:)
I'm beginning to think that a lot of this is not truly leftism. Leftism was supposed to be about equality or at least fair play (which these modern movements are not). It was not meant to be anti-working class or to criticize people purely on how tbey were born.
American "liberalism" often seems to consist of rich, privileged people, many of whom could afford the astronomical tuition fees of US universities, talking down to ordinary people and undermining what they say. That isn't leftism. The real giveaway is how such people rarely talk about class or the rich. Instead they criticize people who work in factories or in trailer parks. Their system says a homeless white man is an oppressor, while a black woman running an exploitative corporation is a liberator.
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