Tithing settlement policy changes?

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Tithing settlement policy changes?

Post by Reuben » 28 Nov 2016, 14:12

Last Sunday, the bishopric announced a change to how we do tithing settlement: no more sign-up sheets. We were to make appointments with our (newly called) ward executive secretary. I don't remember the exact words used, but I remember getting the impression that the new policy came from higher up.

Just now, the ward executive secretary called us to make an appointment for tithing settlement.

I'm happy to pay tithing and attend tithing settlement, but being called to make an appointment makes it feel less like a declaration and more like a shakedown. I'm trying now to determine what level this new process comes from. Has anyone here been contacted in this manner or heard of anything similar?

I do plan to bring it up privately with the bishopric.
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Post by ydeve » 28 Nov 2016, 14:17

We still used a sign-up sheet in my BYU student ward. If there's some new policy, we didn't get the message here in Provo.

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Post by nibbler » 28 Nov 2016, 14:30

Signup sheet here. You will, however, get hounded by the executive secretary until you sign up but that's more related to the BP's goal of giving as accurate a report as they possibly can on 100% of the people on his rosters.

I think it all comes down to how the BP and the executive secretary want to do things.
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Post by DarkJedi » 28 Nov 2016, 14:38

Our ward apparently didn't get the memo either, sign up sheets are on the clerk's door (Sundays and Wednesdays). I agree that signing up makes it more of one's own initiative and it does sound sort of like a shakedown getting a call from the ES. Perhaps your bishop has been frustrated with people not signing up in the past and decided to try a different tact. I don't sign up or go although I do pay tithing. There was past discussion here about tithing settlement. To me it's just another time wasting thing to do when I have better things to do.

Here's a link to one prior discussion (you can search tithing settlement for others): viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4879&hilit=tithing+settlement
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Post by nibbler » 28 Nov 2016, 14:48

There is the issue of being considerate of the BP's time. They have to report something, they'd rather not guess, and they have to make themselves available to everyone. Often that translates into the BP being in his office for people that haven't signed up or met and usually he has to do that right up until the 11th hour. If everyone got the settlement out of the way, or at least made an appointment, the BP could get some of his time back.
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Post by QuestionAbound » 29 Nov 2016, 05:50

Our bishop is our HT. He wanted to do TS with us when he came to HT. :)

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Post by Minyan Man » 29 Nov 2016, 06:04

QuestionAbound wrote:Our bishop is our HT. He wanted to do TS with us when he came to HT. :)
That has to be a first. I've never heard that before. So, did you let him do it?

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Post by SilentDawning » 29 Nov 2016, 07:06

Isn't odd that of all the commandments, tithing settlement is the only one that gets its own, dedicated sit-down meeting with the Bishop?

That's what I think whenever I hear the term "tithing settlement".

Also, the term "settlement" sounds ominous -- as if we have to "settle up", the way people in a business transaction or legal conflict do. I suppose that's an outgrowth of the scripture in the BoM that indicates we owe everything we have to God, so paying 10% is our obligation.

Nonetheless, I've never liked situations where volunteers are treated as employees or debtors...

Anyway, back to the opening question -- It sounds like this approach to tithing settlement is ward or stake specific, not church-wide.
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Post by nibbler » 29 Nov 2016, 07:31

SilentDawning wrote:Also, the term "settlement" sounds ominous -- as if we have to "settle up", the way people in a business transaction or legal conflict do. I suppose that's an outgrowth of the scripture in the BoM that indicates we owe everything we have to God, so paying 10% is our obligation.
Ah, but settlement also implies some attempt at negotiating and compromise by both parties involved. I think it' safe to toss out all definitions that we're aware of for the word "settlement." :P

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Post by Reuben » 29 Nov 2016, 08:01

nibbler wrote:Hey, it's better than attending a tithing "hearing" every year.
:lol:

Okay, so after doing some searching here and other places, it seems 1) I've been fortunate to live in places where sign-up sheets were the rule; and 2) this is probably a stake-wide change. At least, I can't imagine "no sign-ups" being stake-wide policy without "the executive secretary calls you" also being policy. The number of appointments would plummet.

Of all the reasons I've found for the presentation-feedback interview of tithing settlement, the one that makes the most sense is the church uses the collected statistics to determine when and where to build meeting houses and temples. Church leaders can't just say that, though, can they? I suppose "you will realize great spiritual blessings" has more motivational power than "we need these key indicators."

Slightly tangentially, I'm surprised by the things that rub me the wrong way, but wouldn't have or didn't pre-FC.
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