If you liked Mason's talk at FairMormon, you'll Love this

[LookingHard]

Thanks Orson - that actually does help a bit.

[Ann]

What if the gospel is a living creature in search of a habitat or home. It will stay awhile in any location that tries to make itself hospitable to the creature's survival. But it will move on if it can't thrive there long term. And the people in the home may still be bickering and remodeling and talking about their guest...who has left.

[LookingHard]

What if the gospel is a living creature in search of a habitat or home. It will stay awhile in any location that tries to make itself hospitable to the creature's survival. But it will move on if it can't thrive there long term. And the people in the home may still be bickering and remodeling and talking about their guest...who has left.

Ann, you actually made me look a lot like my avatar when reading this (except I am not QUITE that hairy). I read it 3 times and it is still making me think. Hmm.

[Roy]

There was a time when I found comfort in certainty. I remember telling a friend in HS that if all beliefs were equally valid then my own beliefs would not be compelling enough to motivate me to action.

Now I have a hard time with people who are certain in their own belief because it seems like a security blanket - denying a broader reality in order to find comfort and stability.

Mason said that we have placed too many things in the truth basket.

How do we collectively remove things from the truth basket that were placed there in error?

I imagine that this is one small step towards starting that process.

[LookingHard]

How do we collectively remove things from the truth basket that were placed there in error?

One way is to empty the basket and start adding things back in after some deliberation and study.

[nibbler]

Mason said that we have placed too many things in the truth basket.

How do we collectively remove things from the truth basket that were placed there in error?

I imagine that this is one small step towards starting that process.

I think the story about the truth cart changed the terminology but not the mindset. We talk of Truth vs. truth but that same concept can be extended to the cart, there's the Truth Cart and the truth cart. Don't get me wrong, I think it's vital to revisit what should be in the Truth Cart and what shouldn't but there will always be tension associated with the mindset that there is a universal Truth Cart that's enforceable on everyone.

[LookingHard]

So let me ask this about this shopping cart analogy. Why do so many Mormon truth cars pull to the right (politically) and squeak about how the world is just so bad and wicked?

Not looking for a reply.

[Shawn]

From the presentation:

Apologetics can be broadly defined as “the attempt to integrate faith and reason in making a rational case for belief.” It has a long and distinguished history in both Christianity and Mormonism (and in other religions as well).

People have got to stop saying things like that if they want us to be considered Christians.

[Curt Sunshine]

Yep. "...including..." would have been much better than "and".