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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Curt Sunshine » 29 Jul 2015, 10:03

For example, there are reports that 70% of active men in the Church are supposedly porn "addicts" now.


Source?

That sort of statement can't stand without some sort of source citation.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Roy » 29 Jul 2015, 11:48

DevilsAdvocate wrote:To me it looks like the Church and other anti-porn crusaders are simply using pseudoscience as yet another way to pile on the guilt, fear, and shame and try to browbeat men that don't want to stop viewing porn/nudity into submission.
DA you seem to be referencing a portion of the population here that are content in their porn use.

The important part of the study I referenced IMO is that even for people with problematic and destructive porn habits that they actively want to change - Even for this group, calling their porn use an addiction and treating it as such can actually be counter productive to effective treatment.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by LookingHard » 29 Jul 2015, 14:09

Ray DeGraw wrote:
For example, there are reports that 70% of active men in the Church are supposedly porn "addicts" now.


Source?

That sort of statement can't stand without some sort of source citation.
I don't have a link, but statements like this are thrown around quite often in meetings I am in. I almost feel sometimes it was to flush out anybody that was viewing porn. Even in leadership meetings it was mentioned and asked to look around and realized that several in the room may have this issue. I assumed from that that comment that they were trying to really spook people out into confessing.

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Post by Roadrunner » 29 Jul 2015, 17:29

LookingHard wrote:Even in leadership meetings it was mentioned and asked to look around and realized that several in the room may have this issue. I assumed from that that comment that they were trying to really spook people out into confessing.
Three youth during routine interviews with me have accidentally disclosed that their fathers view pornography or have on-and-off recurring serious problem. I don't think they even know they did it. These men are well respected leaders in the ward.

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by DevilsAdvocate » 29 Jul 2015, 19:47

Ray DeGraw wrote:
For example, there are reports that 70% of active men in the Church are supposedly porn "addicts" now.


Source? That sort of statement can't stand without some sort of source citation.
I'm not saying this claim is accurate; it is just hearsay from these online forums where someone went to a meeting specifically about porn and some leader said this and that it supposedly came from LDS Family Services. My guess is that it isn't completely made up and they probably did some kind of survey and 70% admitted to viewing porn within the last year or that they have a "problem" with porn and in the process of translation someone started calling them porn addicts and extrapolating this limited sample to the Church as a whole.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by DarkJedi » 29 Jul 2015, 20:04

DevilsAdvocate wrote:
Ray DeGraw wrote:
For example, there are reports that 70% of active men in the Church are supposedly porn "addicts" now.


Source? That sort of statement can't stand without some sort of source citation.
I'm not saying this claim is accurate; it is just hearsay from these online forums where someone went to a meeting specifically about porn and some leader said this and that it supposedly came from LDS Family Services. My guess is that it isn't completely made up and they probably did some kind of survey and 70% admitted to viewing porn within the last year or that they have a "problem" with porn and in the process of translation someone started calling them porn addicts and extrapolating this limited sample to the Church as a whole.
Or perhaps the question was "Have you ever looked at porn?" Seriously, I don't deny that porn is a problem and for some a very serious problem. 70%? The doubter in me really questions that one (even more than the BoM! :D ). I have to put this one with the "neighbor's cousin's friend-of-a-friend's brother in Utah got a call to serve a mission in China - but it's secret" category. Repeating it doesn't make it true. I'd rather deal with real facts.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Minyan Man » 29 Jul 2015, 20:20

There was a time (back in the day) when Wards had projects to finance Ward budgets.
Our ward at the time, did inventories for mainstream book stores.
There was an older couple working in the Art section counting books.
They ran across some art books of nudes.
They came out & called the artwork pornography.
This may account for the higher percentages. (Individual's definition of porn)

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Post by mom3 » 29 Jul 2015, 20:26

I have a friend who is counselor who says one of the deeper problems with Pornography is the definition. There are people who find Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue as porn and others who have a much broader definition (film genre's, etc.)

She also says that the more we talk about it the more problem we create. We hyper set ourselves, our responses become extreme when they shouldn't be. I keep trying to keep that in mind when I read or hear about pornography addiction. There was a time when a woman's ankle could be quite alluring.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by DarkJedi » 29 Jul 2015, 20:42

Yes, I suppose the Supreme Court's definition of porn
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that*
likely comes into play. My definition of porn might well be different from anyone else's - but I think I do know it when I see it.

(*Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio)
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Minyan Man » 29 Jul 2015, 21:00

Do you think there is a lower threshold for the definition of pornography in the lds church?
I personally believe there is.
The couple I mentioned before was looking at Michelangelo's David for example.

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