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Re: For laughs

Post by hawkgrrrl » 21 May 2015, 12:25

the most successful missionaries on my misson were the ones who fooled around and had long hair, knew how to party it up, etc.
That was the case in my mission experience too! I wonder why we haven't picked up on this. When I served, I had friends serving elsewhere in Europe where obedience = baptism was drummed into their heads. They all felt so guilty and depressed all the time. They weren't having success because Europe can be very tough, many aren't that religious, and a lot of people aren't open to strangers coming in to talk about Jesus.

We were the highest baptising mission in Europe, and my friends would say "Wow, your mission must be really righteous and obedient." I kept having to assure them that was not the case at all. We had missionaries swimming in the ocean, drinking, missionaries with girlfriends, and so on. We had a lot of autonomy. One time one of my ZLs got on an elevator with my comp & me and said "Ya know, I always wanted to do it with a black girl." I asked if he realized he said that out loud. He was just absentmindedly thinking out loud he said. In short, obedience to the commandments pre-mission and in some cases during the mission was not the secret formula at all. Personally, I think it's because if you have a dodgy past, you're going to relate more to a variety of people, you still chose to do the mission, so you've got good reasons to be there, and you probably have gained a little humility here and there, not to mention life experience.

Personally I think raising the bar was a big mistake. I think instead they should raise the age again (for the men) and give the MPs blinders so they won't be hyper-vigilant about obedience.

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Re: For laughs

Post by DarkJedi » 21 May 2015, 13:17

I have often thought about the early missionaries (I'm not exactly sure when the idea of young single missionaries came around). Those guys were sent out without the MTC, without set lessons, without language training, etc. They likely drank coffee, tea, and alcohol and possibly smoked or chewed because those things were not emphasized in the same way they are now. They didn't have mission presidents and zone leaders or district leaders and many had little to no contact with SLC or anyone of higher authority for the entire time. They did things the way they thought best, and likely worked when they wanted to and were lazy some days. Yet, they met with success. Have you seen the current "little white bible?" (Here's a link: https://www.lds.org/manual/missionary-handbook?lang=eng)

I'm certainly not advocating a return to the old ways - but I think we could be a lot more chill :ugeek: and perhaps reach a lot more people who think of the missionaries as stuffed shirted geeks and/or think 18-year-olds aren't really qualified to teach the gospel (I think that). I think there is some truth to the idea that if the church wasn't true the missionaries would have destroyed it a long time ago.

I agree with Hawkgrrrl - so many missionaries come home with the idea that strict obedience is the ticket. For some it is - the ticket to a faith crisis when doing a does not result in desired outcome b. Let the guy or girl who has repented (or is repenting) of breaking the law of chastity multiple times teach it, they truly understand it and they probably understand the atonement and grace (in a way no seminary graduate ever will).
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