Dalai Lama: "if science is found to contradict a basic tenet

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Dalai Lama: "if science is found to contradict a basic tenet

Post by startpoor » 12 May 2015, 10:57

Of all the Christian Faiths out there, mormonism should have the most room to say something like this. Yet, somehow I don't see this happening ;)
I think most of us here adjust our faith in the light of scientific reason, but is this a good path for religions to walk? What would religion lose, if anything, by taking this route?


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Re: Dalai Lama: "if science is found to contradict a basic t

Post by mom3 » 12 May 2015, 11:38

I am thinking this one through. I have long been a strange Mormon because I can see the creation and the Big Bang Theory working side by side. I will give other questions some brain time and get back to you. It's a good topic.
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Post by hawkgrrrl » 12 May 2015, 12:12

And yet E. Nelson mocked the big bang theory openly in 2012 General Conference, one of several things that convinced my son that Mormonism, being anti-science, wasn't for him.

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Post by GBSmith » 12 May 2015, 12:20

It's hard when people are expected to believe in spite of what they're taught.

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Post by mom3 » 12 May 2015, 12:21

And yet E. Nelson mocked the big bang theory openly in 2012 General Conference, one of several things that convinced my son that Mormonism, being anti-science, wasn't for him.
D--n.
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Re: Dalai Lama: "if science is found to contradict a basic t

Post by DarkJedi » 12 May 2015, 12:41

mom3 wrote:I have long been a strange Mormon because I can see the creation and the Big Bang Theory working side by side.
I'm with you. I can look at a picture of a nebula and fathom the stars and planets being created there - and it fits so perfectly with the idea of a Creator God for me. When physicists speak of us being made of star stuff, it rings true to me.
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Post by LookingHard » 12 May 2015, 13:15

hawkgrrrl wrote:And yet E. Nelson mocked the big bang theory openly in 2012 General Conference, one of several things that convinced my son that Mormonism, being anti-science, wasn't for him.
DBMormon / Bill Reel just released a podcast where I think it was a Christian 'philosopher' was talking about the flood and he was making the point that if Christianity requires that people believe the flood story as literal, then real true scientists will have to reject Christianity. I think the same is true in the church.

I am fully in the camp of God and nature/science are beautifully intertwined. I feel the most like telling God, "Cool!" when I look at the night sky on lake Powell.

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Post by Curt Sunshine » 12 May 2015, 13:41

What must we give up?

Lieteralism

Not much, if anything, else.
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Re: Dalai Lama: "if science is found to contradict a basic t

Post by Sheldon » 12 May 2015, 13:48

hawkgrrrl wrote:And yet E. Nelson mocked the big bang theory openly in 2012 General Conference

What?? He probably doesn't even watch it!!!! ;)

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Post by Curt Sunshine » 12 May 2015, 14:18

Sheldon is officially nominated for comment of the week.

There have been some other really good ones, but spit takes exist because of comments like that last one. :thumbup: :lol:
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Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

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