For those of you who are not full-fledged TR holders -- are you concerned about the eternal salvation of your family? Do you feel anxiety or concern that your family may not be together in the eternities? Or if you have no family in the church are you concerned you will attract some form of personal/individual damnation due to your unwillingness to live the gospel as a full TR-holding person?
A friend of mine asked me about this -- whether my mortality is bothering me since I'm not a full-fledged TR-holder any longer. I would be interested in your answers.
Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
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SilentDawning
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Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
"It doesn't have to be about the Church (church) all the time!" -- SD
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
A man asked Jesus "do all roads lead to you?" Jesus responds,”most roads don’t lead anywhere, but I will travel any road to find you.” Adapted from The Shack, William Young
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
A man asked Jesus "do all roads lead to you?" Jesus responds,”most roads don’t lead anywhere, but I will travel any road to find you.” Adapted from The Shack, William Young
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I'd like to hear your answer, too, SD. I've actually gone through stages of this. When my crisis of faith began I was concerned. Later, as I became agnostic and nearly atheist, I didn't care because I didn't believe those teachings anyway. The truth is at this time I don't know. I'm not sure I accept all of the teachings of the church regarding salvation and exaltation (more particularly the latter). As scripturally taught, I do believe I am saved (I believe in Jesus Christ, I have been baptized, I accept him as my Savior, etc.). I don't believe in a hell of fire and brimstone, but I do believe there is a state of being that is hell - and I think that can even occur in the celestial kingdom (if such a place exists). Barring getting crushed by a log truck on my way to work tomorrow, I also believe I still have time to work this out, but it has taken a back burner to more pressing beliefs (like does God really exist, etc.) in the past. perhaps this thread will be of some assistance as I work through this - one of the things I love about this site and my friends here.
In the absence of knowledge or faith there is always hope.
Once there was a gentile...who came before Hillel. He said "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."
My Introduction
Once there was a gentile...who came before Hillel. He said "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot." Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."
My Introduction
Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
If I am not saved then I will be with the other 99.9% of those that ever lived. Besides how many true believing Mormons with Temple recommends believe they are going to the Celestial Kingdom? I know when I was TBM I never thought I was good enough. It is only the over the top Mormons who actually believe they are going to make it. The church is set up so you doubt yourself to keep you motivated to keep trying harder to be a good Mormon to attain that celestial glory.
Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction--faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. Thomas A. Edison
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” Neil deGrasse Tyson
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” Neil deGrasse Tyson
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SilentDawning
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Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
It doesn't seem like an immediate concern to me right now. I'm sure that TB Mormons could quote all kinds of BoM scriptures that say not to procrastinate your day of repentence, but frankly, I don't see it as an immediate concern right now for me even though I am in my early 50's now.
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"It doesn't have to be about the Church (church) all the time!" -- SD
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
A man asked Jesus "do all roads lead to you?" Jesus responds,”most roads don’t lead anywhere, but I will travel any road to find you.” Adapted from The Shack, William Young
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
A man asked Jesus "do all roads lead to you?" Jesus responds,”most roads don’t lead anywhere, but I will travel any road to find you.” Adapted from The Shack, William Young
Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
No.
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Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn't participate enthusiastically. - Robert Kirby
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church0333
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Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
I look around church and it seems like I am doing about as good as most. There might be 5% that do everything they are suppose to and the rest are doing the best they can. If that 5% make up the CK then I think I would be more comfortable with the other 95% in the other kingdoms. I think God will judge us more by how we treat others and honor him then by the commandments the church puts out. I worry more about how I am going to handle the rest of this life than I do the next life at this stage.
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The end.church0333 wrote:... I worry more about how I am going to handle the rest of this life than I do the next life at this stage.
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Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn't participate enthusiastically. - Robert Kirby
Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
Yes, but not because I have no TR.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."
Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
I believe in a loving Parental God. I believe that relationships matter. I believe that I should do my best, both to be a good person individually and to help others become their own best selves. I believe that we will always be "works in progress." I believe that everything else will work itself out.
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"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood
“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223
"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13
“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223
"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13
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Curt Sunshine
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Re: Are you concerned about your personal/family salvation?
No, and it has nothing to do with my TR status.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)
Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken