Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by brit-exmo » 11 Apr 2013, 02:04

DBMormon - Do you have a powerpoint deck or something that you can share?

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Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by mackay11 » 11 Apr 2013, 04:00

So... It's 'tomorrow' already. How did it go :)

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by DBMormon » 11 Apr 2013, 06:15

AWESOME!!!!!

We have 7 wards and 1 Branch in the stake. there were 5 of us there plus the Stake Clerk.
I passed out a binder to everyone containing the following

1.) Richard Bushman - The following is Richard Bushman's introduction paper to the 2008 summer seminar, “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” given July 29, 2008
http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2008/08 ... smith.html
pages 2 -4

2.) Terryl Givens - University of Richmond - From a Fireside Presentation to the Single Adult Stake, Palo Alto, CA 14 October 2012. Revised on October 22, 2012.
http://terrylgivens.com/wp-content/uplo ... oubter.pdf
pages 5-10

3.) Russell Hancock - This is a transcript of unprepared remarks by Russell Hancock - 1st Counselor, Menlo Park Stake Presidency to the Valparaiso Ward Elders Quorum 6 May 2012
http://geoffsn.blogspot.com/2012/08/rus ... hurch.html
pages 11-15

4.) Marlin Jensen – Seventy Emeritus -First Quorum of the Seventy - Excerpts from a Q&A with Elder Marlin K. Jensen (Church Historian and Recorder) at USU.
http://mormon-chronicles.blogspot.com/2 ... es-of.html
pages 16-17

5.) Bill Reel & John Lynch – Members of FAIR (FAIR.LDS.ORG) – Suggestions on how best to help someone in a crisis of faith
pages 18-19

6.) Fowlers theory on stages of faith. - http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/fowler.htm
How Fowler's theory applies to Later-Day Saints - http://members.digis.net/jeffret/stages/sof_inst.html
pages 20-21

plus these additional mentions
Places on the web to go for answers
-   FAIR.LDS.ORG
-   http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
-   http://www.shields-research.org/

Books to read for answers
“Shaken Faith Syndrome” - Michael Ash
Rough Stone Rolling – Richard Bushman
By the Hand of Mormon – Terryl Givens
The God who Weeps – Terryl Givens

other articles
- https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/wp-con ... -32-41.pdf
-   http://www.fairblog.org/2012/12/12/keep ... eel-story/
-   http://www.fairblog.org/2012/12/12/keep ... eel-story/



I then did a power point (happy to upload here if I can, don't know how) which went over the problem, it's severity, and the steps to help.
It was super received.

The stake Clerk was eating it up as the nods of his head showed.
One Bishop had some of these issues on his mind,
Another was in a similar siuation as me where he was on the other side of a faith crisis
Another said he was naive to this stuff but that he had members of his ward struggling.
the last one seemed the most disconnected but it was obvious he learned a lot by his comments
The stake Clerk commented that the Stake presidentcy needed to see this and was going to try to get me a chance to show them.

The missing Leaders should see it as well as one is the Son of the Stake Clerk, and two Bishops there promised to share the same lesson with them.

There was no push back at all............... super well received. If you want the power point email me (not PM) Every Stake should have this training.

The key is to talk about the process without discussing major issues that opens a can of worms for one naive to the issues. AAA++++

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Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by mackay11 » 11 Apr 2013, 06:57

Woop, woop! That's great new Bill. Really, really pleased for you. I'll probably pm you to get a copy of the files if you're willing to share. That's a great reading list too!

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by GodisLove » 11 Apr 2013, 08:28

Thank you for the list and I am so glad it went well. I hadn't read the Russell Hancock paper before and LOVED IT.

"I feel well fed"
Not one Sparrow is forgotten
E'en the raven God will feed
And the lily of the valley
From His bounty hath its need

Then shall I not trust Thee, Father
In Thy mercy have a share?
And through faith and prayer, my Mother
Merit Thy protecting care?
Shaker Hymnal 1908

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by Curt Sunshine » 11 Apr 2013, 08:49

Excellent! So gald to hear this report.

I agree that the key, especially initially, is to focus on the issue, not the issues - and I think Pres. Uchtdorf's and Elder Holland's talk this past weekend can be powerful, additional help.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by DBMormon » 12 Apr 2013, 18:49

Stake Clerk sent me an email and said
"You did a great presentation and I felt that it was one of the finest hours I have ever spent at church."
He is now making a pitch for this to be shown to the stake presidency and high Council.

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by Ann » 13 Apr 2013, 00:11

DBMormon wrote:Stake Clerk sent me an email and said
"You did a great presentation and I felt that it was one of the finest hours I have ever spent at church."
And we know he's spent a lot of hours there. I'm glad it went well!
"Preachers err by trying to talk people into belief; better they reveal the radiance of their own discovery." - Joseph Campbell

"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes." - Marcel Proust

"Therefore they said unto him, How were thine eyes opened? He answered and said unto them, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes...." - John 9:10-11

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Re: Training for Leaders on Faith Crisis

Post by DBMormon » 15 Apr 2013, 07:46

I have now been asked to do the same presentation by the Stake Presidency for them. If they like it, I believe the High Council is next.
DB

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