journeygirl wrote:However, I can get spiritual messages from other fiction books. What would then set the scriptures apart? Does that make any good author a prophet?
I believe we should be getting spiritual messages from as many sources as we possibly can.
What sets the scriptures apart?
We do. Our faith does. Switching gears and not intending to treat the scriptures irrelevantly... you could equate churches to large book clubs. Churches can more easily discuss certain faith promoting stories because the expectation is that everyone is reading the same texts. Book club might not work as smoothly if everyone read a different book that month.
Does that make any good author a prophet?
It depends on how loosely you define a prophet. Many people consider David to be the author of many Psalms but we don't think of David as a prophet. If you define a prophet as an inspired teacher and an author inspired you... why not?
Heber13 wrote:To your point, journeygirl, when Paul H Dunn was revealed as presenting facts in his inspirational stories that were not true, it totally impacted not only the impact of the story, but also his own credibility. It did impact the spirituality of those stories, right?
Paul H Dunn is an interesting case, while he may have taken things a bit too far I view him as a product of his environment. People could probably find many
Paul H Dunns in LDS history and in every religion.
Rsbenson wrote:So when I first read this kind of, going for a walk in the woods on Sunday instead of going to church, talk in bloggersville all I could think of was - Oh, SPARE me!
Ha ha. I can totally
relate. I've been on both sides of that block and I'll probably circle around it a few more times before picking out a home.
mom3 wrote:I know you asked DJ and Nibbler. I hope you don't mind if I add my two cents. I think some things do matter. At the phase I am in, I need somethings to have happened. I love the positive growth experiences shared through Holocaust survivors. For me the Holocaust, unfortunately needs to be real, for their lessons from those experiences to be of worth for me. Do I dread the Holocaust. Yes I am sickened by it - yet I gain character traits and values from the lessons the survivors teach me. Some of those are religious, others universal human traits.
It's interesting that you bring up the holocaust, I almost brought that up as an example of things that matter if they happened. I talked myself out of it, there's this nag I have:
The moon landing
There are plenty of people that don't believe in the holocaust or the moon landing. There are plenty of people that believe that 9/11 was an "inside job" [and please don't turn the thread into a debate about those issues]. Those beliefs represent real history for some people. In many ways "history" is just a though that exists in our minds. Returning to the holocaust, perhaps it is extremely important to arrive at true history to make sure we learn the appropriate lessons as opposed to potentially spreading pain by our beliefs.
There are a few questions that rattle around in my brain:
What is history?
Does the passage of time effect how much history matters to us? Does an event that happened in our lifetimes or in the lifetimes of people we know matter more than events that happened thousands of years ago? Does history matter more if the thoughts are obtained firsthand, secondhand, or thirdhand? Does our degree of separation from historic events effect how much it matters to us?
Same question as above but replace "matter to us" with "erode our confidence in our interpretation of history."
I had the latter portion of this post typed up earlier this morning, thought about tossing it but I figured, why not post it? I ended up going to a few history museums today.
I figured I'd try to reduce the degree of separation between me and history... to help history have more of an impact in my today.
History, the great provider of stories.