Rsbenson wrote:Who’s trying to change history?
No one, that was my point. I don't want to get too carried away with something over which I have no control. Just my way of saying I don't want to discard all
of the spiritual lessons that I've learned should I later find out that some of the events that I thought were historical turned out to be myth. If I learned a good lesson from a myth I can retain that lesson.
Rsbenson wrote:If God made it historical then it’s important. Look at the incident concerning the ten lepers. That incident could easily have been a parable. It not only really happened but when only one of the ten returned, what do you know but the one was a Samaritan. The Samaritan showed the true Church who was really just before God. Heavenly Father took one of many righteous Samaritans, gave him leprosy, sent him to Jesus to be healed by which He accomplished the same thing He did with the blind man. He showed the glory of God. If God makes an incident historical then the spiritual is already imbedded in the physical.
Yes, I agree. The spiritual is always imbedded in the physical. I could also see god as purposely injecting symbolism into events. Why did the fish swallow Jonah? Maybe it didn't really happen and it was just a man-made device to help followers remember. Maybe it did
really happen and god sent the fish to help people remember the story and give the event additional symbolism that he wanted to convey. Either way I remember the event and am free to extract meaning.
I also agree with another point . It can be very important to have the miracles of Jesus and events like the atonement rooted in history.
nibbler wrote:In some cases problems with history simply cannot be resolved.
Rsbenson wrote:That might be but then I have to ask you. Who’s resolving them? Is it you? Is it your favorite General Authority? Is it God? If It’s God then you won’t get the car accident wrong and tossing thousands of years into the equation won’t complicate anything.
I agree, but then the question shifts to how do I know when it's god, when it's me, or when it's my favorite GA? The spirit. I have to rely on the spirit to discover things. At one point in my life it was vital for me to resolve problems with history. Now I'm at a place where I don't need historical problems resolved. It's okay to have problems looming out there, problems have become my muse.
Rsbenson wrote:So setting aside all the frost giants and cows licking deity out of rocks, I see only one problem with it. God didn’t do it that way. So it’s a big problem – and nothing spiritual to learn from it.
There may not be much, if anything, spiritual to learn from Norse mythology for you and me. I can only imagine what the ancient Norseman learned from it. To a person raised up in that mythology Christianity would sound just as foreign to them as Norse mythology does to us. Someone raised in Norse mythology might even have strong, undeniable feelings about frost giants and cows. Those are the tools that they had to work with to make a connection with deity while in their probationary state. In their case their unquestionable, yet erroneous version of history would only be ironed out in the next life.
Rsbenson wrote:Who says they’re unanswered? God? In the quest for truth, I have learned one thing - that if you ask, you shall receive, if seek, you shall find, and if you knock, it shall be opened unto you. It might take decades to happen, but it will happen. If an incident, in scripture, is historical than find the spiritual in it and you might have more spiritual then you can handle.
The good thing is that people never stop asking. People don't generally buy into Norse mythology these days. People kept questioning and that mythology was replaced with another that better explains our world. That new mythology was replaced by yet another, with each iteration hopefully bringing us closer to truth. I've picked on the Norse but this process goes back to the dawn of reason. This has played out over centuries and even millennia.
So now many people have the Christ mythology. Is that the final iteration that god intended for us after millennia of asking? We certainly believe so. These are the tools we have to work with to make a connection with god. Are our tools better than the tools that other mythologies provide? We certainly believe so.
We live in interesting times. The world is a much smaller place, we no longer live in isolation. Belief systems are intermingling on a level that they never have before. Some people even appear to be moving on from long held aspects of Christian beliefs. The Pope adopting the big bang and evolution theories, that would have been unheard of in the not to distant past.
What's interesting about Mormonism is that we believe that humanity started
with the Christ mythology, that all the other mythologies represent departures from original truth and that we have finally come full circle with Mormonism. It really turns my iterative process on it's head... then again the restoration is ongoing. The restoration could have started in 1820, it could have started when the first human asked "Why?"