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Re: Online Seminary

Post by Curt Sunshine » 25 Aug 2020, 15:59

What bothers me the most is that the online option glaringly favors higher social-economic families. It puts those already in a higher risk group most at risk.

Frankly, I probably would point that out to my leaders - but I have the social capital to do it with at least a chance of them listening.

There are other things that bother me about it, but that one really jumped out at me.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by Roy » 21 Sep 2020, 12:38

With school actually starting now and DD getting into the routine of her new distance learning environment, I told her that she could go to seminary at the church building just to experience it and see what it is all about.

DD said that if she goes once (just to check it out) then that will likely stir more questions and more prodding. "Why didn't you come back?" "Didn't you like it?" "Don't you miss us?" She also feels that going once will serve to weaken the sleep argument by demonstrating that she can wake herself up that early if only she has sufficient motivation.

I have to admit that she is probably correct on all those counts.

We as a family have put in place a boundary. To voluntarily go beyond that boundary may serve to confuse things and invite further well-meaning invitations.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by Roy » 28 Dec 2020, 10:52

It was reported to me that the seminary attendees were not wearing masks because their desks were spaced 6 feet apart. Fortunately, someone higher up the chain heard about that and put a stop to it. The church policy is that people in the church building wear masks. There is no provision for "unless you are six feet apart."

Recently DD was asked to come in for a bishop youth interview. I had talked to her beforehand and explained that she could have a parent present which she declined. Right before she was about to go in DD changed her mind and asked me to accompany her. Bishop seemed surprised but did not object. I sat in the corner and said that I would do my best not to interject unless called upon. I observed that the format of being a youth "get to know you" interview with a TR limited use recommend interview included seemed to give license for deviating from the strict TR questions. For example, he did specifically ask about pornography use. I believe that he thinks this is his duty and is standard in his interviews with youth.

Lastly, We have received a directive at least as high as the stake level that all youth are strongly encouraged to return to attending church as normal. We are in an "extreme risk" area for COVID and we are divided into thirds as to who can attend church each week. However, families with youth are asked/expected to come every week. Live youth activities have resumed. DW and I are activity days boys leaders. We have been asked to resume these activities. DW and I are moving forward with zoom lessons and activities. I speculate that someone is rather concerned about youth retention during this period of quarantine and I do believe that concern is warranted.

We as a family have decided to continue with Home Church which fulfills our needs nicely.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by SamBee » 29 Dec 2020, 03:47

There is an assumption these days that everyone has access to internet. Here's the thing. Internet costs money. I know people who would access.it normally through public libraries but that is not an option just now.
It was reported to me that the seminary attendees were not wearing masks because their desks were spaced 6 feet apart. Fortunately, someone higher up the chain heard about that and put a stop to it. The church policy is that people in the church building wear masks. There is no provision for "unless you are six feet apart."
Six seems to be everywhere just now. We aren't allowed to meet up with more than six people outside, we're supposed to stay six feet apart, and even Co-VI-d has a six in the middle of it (and a DC - 600 in it too). Numerologists must be having a field day.

The only thing that can be said re the seminary students is that in my part of the world, schools are all open just now (well, not quite - Christmas vacation), and the kids often don't wear masks. Seminary's not doing anything they aren't. And kids that age are very, very unlikely statistically to be affected badly by this virus, although they may transmit it to those who do.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by Roy » 29 Dec 2020, 10:21

SamBee wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 03:47
The only thing that can be said re the seminary students is that in my part of the world, schools are all open just now (well, not quite - Christmas vacation), and the kids often don't wear masks. Seminary's not doing anything they aren't. And kids that age are very, very unlikely statistically to be affected badly by this virus, although they may transmit it to those who do.
That's a good point SamBee. Where I live, in person schooling has been shut down since March. I do believe that there is such a thing as industry standard - as to say that a business or organization takes the same or similar precautions that everyone else is taking.

On the other hand, I fear a slippery slope. If we say that schools are open and kids often don't wear masks and those kids can become infected and show only mild symptoms (or no symptoms) and then transmit COVID to others - then we are basically saying that we have made a choice to prioritize in person education over the health concerns. If we then have other organizations (Like the people doing LDS Seminary in my area) justifying their own in person meetings without masks because "We are not doing anything or taking any risks that the schools are not doing/taking" then it seems to quickly get to a point where everyone is justified.
SamBee wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 03:47
There is an assumption these days that everyone has access to internet. Here's the thing. Internet costs money. I know people who would access.it normally through public libraries but that is not an option just now.
Yes, that is a big assumption. I do believe that at least in my area, there is a big push to prioritize youth meeting together often in order to help retain this group.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by DarkJedi » 30 Dec 2020, 05:24

I do believe that at least in my area, there is a big push to prioritize youth meeting together often in order to help retain this group.
I believe this to be the case in my area as well. Schools here are open with masks for everybody and the occasional shut down (online only) for a few days because of cases. Church itself is still every other week (small ward divided in half) with a video option or a just on your own option. My ward is not doing live seminary but we have so few youth I'm not sure we would be anyway. A neighboring ward used to have two seminary groups, I'm not sure what they're doing. But there are weekly youth activities and I'm not so sure they worry about distancing, masks, etc. Like many other areas, we're worse now than we were at the previous "height" of the infection.
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Re: Online Seminary

Post by nibbler » 30 Dec 2020, 06:00

Maybe we're an outlier but church is out ahead of the public schools in my area. The only restrictions at church are masks and an unenforced attendance cap.

I'm not sure what seminary is up to. There were so many rules with the aim of ensuring kids were doing seminary the right way that we ended up opting out of the program entirely.
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