I think it depends on what you are exed for. I mention two examples above. One is aggressive and banned, and the other is mild-mannered and active. The former needs medical treatment and the latter reconciliation.
Obviously the worst case misdemeanors are murder and rape, and variations thereof, but most members don't go down those avenues. If you are falsely accused of these then that is a horror story all of its own. There is a level of notoreity that comes with these that goes beyond excom. Most people outside the church will shun you too.
The worst things the church can do are go to the official legal system or unofficial - people cutting you off or being abusive. Then there are strange scenarios like Brother Hamula - I've no idea what he did but it leads to speculation, for precisely that reason.
nibbler wrote: ↑
23 Apr 2021, 05:45
Our church doesn't typically actively shun people when they're excommunicated, at least not to the degree that some other churches might. That said, I think we do passively shun people. Passive shunning from a community that defined your identity is a punishment. From that perspective I'd say that being banned from the building is worse, it's a much more explicit form of saying, "we don't want you."
Depends what it's for. If I get exed for a one night stand or becoming a Buddhist, it's not on a level with certain other things. A big shouting match in public is another step up from that. And if I hold a knife to a leader's throat or break a window etc. That's another step up again and will probably land me in jail too. And so on up to the worst case scenarios of sexual assaults and murder.
I do support the first guy being banned from the buildings. I have met him and could deal with him. He had a quarrel with someone on our area leadership. He was maybe unfairly treated. I don't know. I suspect it was badly handled. But he has an edge which makes me support that decision. I've experienced it myself though we didn't fight. It sounds patronizing, but I hope he gets the help he needs. There are some non-church issues there. Maybe the church accelerated them.
Not sure what to say about the excommunication of Natasha Helfer. I found that it made me angry, and it's been a while since I've felt truly angry about something church related. The church is now weaker for it IMO.
My last one was the declaration about children of gay parents. Thankfully reversed. It's one thing to go after gay people, but it is another to go after the children of gay parents. That's a double whammy. One can argue in the first case, those are people's innate impulses, but their actions involve some level of agency. In the second case, children are being punished for another person's actions. So it even managed to annoy people who were not that LGBT friendly. One of my high school exes is bi (leaning heavily towards women) but I didn't know that early on - conceivably (no pun intended) she could have married me without me knowing this, we could have had children and then separated, before she went off with a woman - then my children would be barred from being bap'd etc in that scenario.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."