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by hawkgrrrl
10 Dec 2008, 14:33
Forum: Support
Topic: All or Nothing
Replies: 41
Views: 4251

Re: All or Nothing

(1) that's how I was raised and (2) that's what the church teaches. Most of the cultural stuff I don't like is related to the fact that the church is a gerontocracy (although to be clear, I see tremendous upside to that also). My parents' generation was just more black & white (TSM is the first pre...
by hawkgrrrl
09 Dec 2008, 22:20
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Dichotomous Thinking
Replies: 17
Views: 3535

Re: Dichotomous Thinking

Kari said: If I really have to decide between either all true or a fraud, I would have to vote fraud. But I would like another choice. Will people like me ever be welcome in the LDS Church? I totally agree with Valoel's reponse. My perspective on JS was always a little more nuanced that the polemic ...
by hawkgrrrl
08 Dec 2008, 16:34
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 35
Views: 4603

Re: The First Vision

Another thing I like to remember and remind people about this one is that it's called the First Vision, not the First Visit. Considering it a visit adds a lot more implications that are not clearly supported by it. It ends up being made to mean everything (God and Jesus look alike, they have physica...
by hawkgrrrl
08 Dec 2008, 16:23
Forum: Support
Topic: What do you enjoy? What is hard to sit through?
Replies: 12
Views: 3267

Re: What do you enjoy? What is hard to sit through?

My current ward is really very good. My DH and I occasionally surf the internet on our blackberries when a lesson gets dull, usually in GD. RS has mostly been good, although there are times when I clean out my church bag during a lesson that doesn't require much thought. I also just enjoy being in a...
by hawkgrrrl
08 Dec 2008, 16:06
Forum: Support
Topic: Saying "NO CAN DO!"
Replies: 11
Views: 3287

Re: Saying "NO CAN DO!"

SallyM: I cannot get up and teach about JSs lovely letters etc to his family etc when the lesson is only showing a sheer shread of the real JS, as one could ask "which wife, and which family No question, that was hands down the worst lesson so far this year in the JS manual. Most of the lessons, tho...
by hawkgrrrl
07 Dec 2008, 17:27
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3878

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

Salo: " does democratic behaviour mean the behaviour that democracies like or the behaviour that will preserve democracy ? " That's a good quote. My own view is that democratic behavior is simply government by the people for the people (so more like the concept of "the behavior that democracies like...
by hawkgrrrl
06 Dec 2008, 20:58
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3878

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

Legalized SSM to me is not a church issue it is up to the people of free society to decide. That's of course what Prop 8 was about--whether it was the right of the people of the state of CA to decide or not. They had voted against SSM, and the court overruled their vote. Prop 8 was to restore the m...
by hawkgrrrl
06 Dec 2008, 20:42
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Creationism vs Evolutiuon
Replies: 5
Views: 1963

Re: Creationism vs Evolutiuon

Various members of the twelve have had heated disputes on this very topic. There's no official stance (to Ray's point, the 1909 one has to be parsed closely for what it really says, but IMO Joseph F Smith was simply a creationist and a contemporary of the Scopes Monkey Trial whose day colored his vi...
by hawkgrrrl
03 Dec 2008, 14:02
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4648

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Salo - I find it intresting that you would admit that our prophets can be faillible but not concide that our sacred books written by prophets can be. I'm not sure Ray concludes that, but he can speak for himself. I certainly don't conclude that at all. The scriptures, IMO, absolutely can be misinter...
by hawkgrrrl
03 Dec 2008, 13:53
Forum: Support
Topic: Considering a new Recommend
Replies: 24
Views: 2978

Re: Considering a new Recommend

Orson, that's great. I agree with what has been said thus far. Let us know how it goes.