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by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 22:51
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4657

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

"We don't have to agree on all things but the excuses , rationalizations and philosophical reflections on this particular topic turn my stomach. It is against everything I stand for and I can not excuse the unexcusable." Salo, this is a sincere question, asked solely to try to understand. There is ...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 22:36
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4657

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

As for the question about scriptural fallibility, I am as strong a proponent of that as lives on this planet. Take the Book of Mormon, for example. If we parse it for what it actually claims, what is that? How would it be described best? This is my take: The Book of Mormon claims to be a compilation...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 21:53
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4657

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Salo, I honestly believe that there isn't much more the Church could say that it hasn't said already. Elder McConkie's statement at BYU in 1978 (which I quoted in my first comment) is explicit and direct. Pres. Hinckley's condemnation of racial slurs in April 2006 General Conference (saying nobody w...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 19:32
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4657

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

I'm running out the door in about 2 minutes to date my wife, so I only have time now for this: I find it interesting that you would admit that our prophets can be fallible but not concede that our sacred books written by prophets can be. I have never taken that position. I have said many time in man...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 19:25
Forum: Support
Topic: My Calling
Replies: 13
Views: 3025

Re: My Calling

Can you love them and help them learn to love each other and others? Also, have you asked your Bishop point-blank and sincerely if he believes you were called by inspiration or desperation or assumption? I don't have any advice on this one, Mike. Whatever you decide, however, don't run away from a c...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 19:18
Forum: Support
Topic: Considering a new Recommend
Replies: 24
Views: 2986

Re: Considering a new Recommend

The best one, in my opinion, is D&C 46:13-14: 13 To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world. 14 To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithfu...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 19:08
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Okay I'll say it, Polygamy
Replies: 18
Views: 4423

Re: Okay I'll say it, Polygamy

I'm all for open debate and questions so long as stupid people are not allowed to speak.
That is awesome wrapped in beast surrounded by sheer joy and sunlight. (That came from my teenage daughter when I read it to my kids.)
by Curt Sunshine
02 Dec 2008, 16:01
Forum: Support
Topic: Considering a new Recommend
Replies: 24
Views: 2986

Re: Considering a new Recommend

"I am trying my hardest," is my favorite answer. Another one, stated at the very beginning (prior to the actual questions), is: "I believe and want the help of the temple to overcome those things I struggle to believe. When I say, 'Yes (or, 'No'),' that is what I mean." Another one, like Gail said, ...
by Curt Sunshine
02 Dec 2008, 15:54
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Just Mike
Replies: 12
Views: 2744

Re: Just Mike

Thanks, Mike. It's good to see you here. It takes some realignment of perspective to see the Gospel and the Church the way I do, but I really like my current view. It is so freeing that's it's hard to explain. Ironically, my own testimony of the genius of the Restoration is stronger now than ever, a...
by Curt Sunshine
01 Dec 2008, 22:06
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4657

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

Oh, and to the issue of it still being in our canon, I don't think it is. When you look at the verses in the Book of Mormon that generally are quoted and read them figuratively ( and in light of what I wrote in my Mormon Momma post ), we are left with the VERY clear verses that say God does not disc...