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by Curt Sunshine
08 Dec 2008, 10:01
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3872

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

It's also worth considering that much of the messiest stuff that challenges faith came about in a time when the Church was led by the young and impetuous. Most members don't stop and consider that.
by Curt Sunshine
08 Dec 2008, 09:58
Forum: Support
Topic: Saying "NO CAN DO!"
Replies: 11
Views: 3282

Re: Saying "NO CAN DO!"

Sally, Pretty much everything I was thinking of saying Jordan already said. My only re-emphasis: Everything really is reconcilable, as long as you are willing to accept that the Church isn't perfect (meaning both "free of mistakes" and the Biblical "complete, whole, fully developed") and neither are...
by Curt Sunshine
07 Dec 2008, 22:20
Forum: Support
Topic: What do you enjoy? What is hard to sit through?
Replies: 12
Views: 3257

Re: What do you enjoy? What is hard to sit through?

cjonesy, there are at least two members of our ward who sit in Gospel Doctrine class and read the assigned chapters silently on their own during the lesson. In essence, they study the lesson during the lesson. For those who have a hard time with the general tone or regular comments in a class but wa...
by Curt Sunshine
07 Dec 2008, 16:59
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3872

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

"If i'm hearing you correct you are saying you see the hand of God in the current teachings but the membership (and you spread the blame around here to include all levels) are not ready to interpret them correctly." Not quite, but close. Just to be clear here in this thread, I think it would take a ...
by Curt Sunshine
06 Dec 2008, 21:44
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3872

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

Thanks for the response, Salo. You actually highlighted some areas where, on re-reading, I wasn't very clear. 1) I didn't mean to make "membership" exclusive of "leadership". I meant it to be inclusive of all levels of membership. I meant the Church as a whole isn't ready. 2) I also think it would b...
by Curt Sunshine
06 Dec 2008, 18:55
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Creationism vs Evolutiuon
Replies: 5
Views: 1955

Re: Creationism vs Evolutiuon

Given how long my last comment was, I need to make this one much shorter. *grin* I think it's open and shut - that evolution is the process by which our bodies were created. The only part of the original post with which I disagree is the following: In the church we have the temple, genesis, BOM all ...
by Curt Sunshine
06 Dec 2008, 18:27
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage
Replies: 16
Views: 3872

Re: Homosexuality - Gay Marriage

I've said everywhere that I would support comprehensive civil unions (with exactly equal civil rights) regardless of sexual orientation, with "marriage" reserved as a religious word for churches to confer as they desire. If some churches want to perform gay marriages, so be it; if others don't, so b...
by Curt Sunshine
04 Dec 2008, 22:36
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4629

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

That's cool, Salo. I asked mostly because I have been about as vocal as anyone in my belief that the ban was primarily a product of racism. I just don't think it was avoidable, and, as such, I don't think it needs an "apology" - since I think the recent statements are very forceful and speak for the...
by Curt Sunshine
03 Dec 2008, 22:51
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban
Replies: 20
Views: 4629

Re: Skin cursings and the Priesthood ban

"We don't have to agree on all things but the excuses , rationalizations and philosophical reflections on this particular topic turn my stomach. It is against everything I stand for and I can not excuse the unexcusable." Salo, this is a sincere question, asked solely to try to understand. There is ...