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by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 17:26
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

Last post. I didn't hoodwink anyone. There is blind obedience, and there is constantly rummaging through garbage obsessively picking apart every piece of trash. Maybe it's best to be somewhere in between. Some responses in this thread show what I first pointed out and I hope you can let it go. Other...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 17:01
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

Hmmm. A very good friend of mine, a former bishop, very TBM, and I were talking recently. I have a tradition of asking him if the church is still 'true'. It's meant as humor, and he takes it as such. His response used to be 'of course it is!", but now it's "What does that word 'true' mean?" He has ...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 12:57
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

I really wish that others here could have a similar experience I'm going to say this as gently as possible, with a grin of love on my face as I type, but I dare say I and lots of others here HAVE had "a similar experience" (and, just perhaps, an even stronger experience or two or twenty) - and that...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 11:36
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

At the same time, your judgments (I understand you may not intend to offend, but judgments they were), are difficult to articulate, which is the very point of holding the discussions online...things that may seem clear in our minds, are not as clear to express in words. I wonder if that has perhaps...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 11:21
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

I'm interested in hearing more from Shawn on how this works: All we have to do is focus on the “fundamental gospel truths, which provide a basis for faith.” and how that reconciles with D&C 9:7-9. Well, I guess I would consider the context (translating ancient records) and consider what topics woul...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 10:48
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

I am trying to reply to a lot of posts. I appreciate your patience. Jumping in here a little late, but am going to go ahead and post my thoughts as I read Shawn's first post. Shawn, you are obviously struggling in some ways or you wouldn't have come to explore this site and read enough to draw concl...
by Shawn
19 Jun 2012, 10:09
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

Roy, thank you for your clarification about LDS people looking beyond the mark. I don't get your last post Shawn...what was your motivation for starting this thread in the first place? What message do you want us to take away from this? I was blessed to have a Spiritual witness during church on Sund...
by Shawn
18 Jun 2012, 12:48
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Re: Looking Beyond the Mark

I really appreciate the respect. I hope no one thinks I only focused on the fundamental gospel truths. I know that it doesn’t simply work that way for everyone. I have asked the questions. I have read many “ex-mormon” stories and “apostimonies.” After much research, I thought about leaving the churc...
by Shawn
18 Jun 2012, 09:21
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Looking Beyond the Mark
Replies: 68
Views: 3716

Looking Beyond the Mark

Are we like those “who placed themselves in serious jeopardy in spiritual things because they were unwilling to accept simple, basic principles of truth…They were apparently afflicted with a pseudosophistication and a snobbishness that gave them a false sense of superiority over those who came among...
by Shawn
14 Jun 2012, 12:18
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: In the Church, but not OF the Church
Replies: 13
Views: 1210

Re: In the Church, but not OF the Church

Thanks, Heber13. I also found this from the Handbook: ...They also consider the member’s personal or family circumstances. Each calling should benefit the people who are served, the member, and the member’s family. Although service in Church callings requires sacrifice, it should not compromise a me...