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by Shawn
28 Jun 2012, 09:46
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality
Replies: 55
Views: 2004

Re: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality

President Thomas Monson: "I have received further light and knowledge by the spirit, by revelation, that our current stance on homosexuality is wrong and needs to be modified...we will now change the conversation to be...."...... I see what you mean, cwald. I think it's very unlikely, but I won't s...
by Shawn
28 Jun 2012, 09:28
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

Dude. Whitewashing the prophet is dishonest, and causes people to go nuts when they learn the truth. Taylor's and Young's statements are idolatrous, by quite the formal definition of idolatry. And as for innocent blood... He destroyed a press that published the truth of his polygamy, then fought ba...
by Shawn
28 Jun 2012, 09:19
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

I say again, if you want an interesting experience, read D&C 121 (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/121?lang=eng) as a free-standing and isolated revelation. Iow, read it only for what it says within its verses - independent of anything else. Read verses 1-6 and think about what Joseph ...
by Shawn
28 Jun 2012, 08:48
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

I hear what you are saying Shawn, and I think you make so valid points, and I have no issue with your opinion. Let me redirect the conversation a bit...if I may, and ask you, and my SP and my SP brother who have regular spies listening in to keep tabs on me... DOES IT MATTER? Does it matter if Wayf...
by Shawn
27 Jun 2012, 16:54
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

What I see here is using a few quotes and stories to paint Joseph Smith negatively. It doesn't matter if you called him a prophet in addition to a narcissist. It is still condemning him. Narcissists believe they are superior to others and don't care about others' feelings. They express disdain for t...
by Shawn
27 Jun 2012, 16:18
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

I say again, if you want an interesting experience, read D&C 121 (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/121?lang=eng) as a free-standing and isolated revelation. Iow, read it only for what it says within its verses - independent of anything else. Read verses 1-6 and think about what Joseph ...
by Shawn
27 Jun 2012, 11:39
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality
Replies: 55
Views: 2004

Re: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality

Are you familar with the 14 F's of the prophet? Yes, I actually read it yesterday (wasn't the first time). I should clarify what I mean by "I don't see how any homosexual activity could be condoned in light of all that has been said about it." I am thinking of all scriptures, like Adam and Eve and ...
by Shawn
27 Jun 2012, 07:54
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality
Replies: 55
Views: 2004

Re: Changing the Mormon Conversation on Homosexuality

Frankly, I think there are multiple ways the Church could continue to alter its stance on homosexuality without having to alter its core theology in the slightest. I admit, that's one area where my beliefs are radically heterodox, but I really do believe it. What alterations could be made? I don't ...
by Shawn
26 Jun 2012, 12:16
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

If God commanded Joseph to marry specific women and God also gave Joseph the power to essentially anull civil marriages at will or the perspective that since these marriages weren't sealed they weren't true marriages anyway - then it wouldn't matter if there was a sexual component to these marriage...
by Shawn
26 Jun 2012, 12:12
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?
Replies: 97
Views: 6265

Re: Acknowledgement of 1831 Revelation of Polygamy?

i personally detest the appeal to occam's razor, but the JS approach to polyandry/polygamy doesn't make any sense. Which is the more simple, and therefore the more plausible argument: 1. God commanded Joseph Smith to marry specific young teenagers, but when Joseph 'dragged his feet', he later comma...