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by DevilsAdvocate
24 Mar 2010, 09:30
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph and Authorship
Replies: 67
Views: 5142

Re: Joseph and Authorship

The biggest problems with the Rigdon-Spaulding theory are very hard to work around ...The time line doesn't work, and it would require an amazingly cool and calculating Sidney Rigdon that stretches belief in normal human nature. That's why I like the Spalding-Rigdon authorship conspiracy theory so ...
by DevilsAdvocate
23 Mar 2010, 10:25
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph and Authorship
Replies: 67
Views: 5142

Re: Joseph and Authorship

Here are some additional questions that arise for me: 1. What about Muhammed? Do you feel a need to account for the origin of the Quran? It is not obvious to me that the origins of that book are significantly different than the BoM or D&C (especially if one takes the "channeled" approach as has bee...
by DevilsAdvocate
22 Mar 2010, 10:06
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Joseph and Authorship
Replies: 67
Views: 5142

Re: Joseph and Authorship

...what are the prevailing arguments about how Joseph Smith could have been the author of the book? ... We know he was fairly illiterate. Emma said there was no way JS was capable of penning the BofM because he was simply too illiterate... how does one explain how JS wrote the BofM if, in fact, it ...
by DevilsAdvocate
11 Mar 2010, 10:38
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Will the Word of Wisdom ever change?
Replies: 121
Views: 9168

Re: Will the Word of Wisdom ever change?

I agree with you DevilsAdvocate. I think we could really do a lot more good in the world, influence MORE people towards a life of divine transformation if the active, traditional core of the Church was more comfortable sitting on the pew next to someone who smells like smoke or drinks a beer now an...
by DevilsAdvocate
10 Mar 2010, 12:48
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Will the Word of Wisdom ever change?
Replies: 121
Views: 9168

Re: Will the Word of Wisdom ever change?

...Likewise, I see no reason the church would change it. Could it change? Sure, because I think energy drinks are worse than tea, in my irrelevant opinion. Someone needs to think of a good argument why it should be changed, otherwise, it has become a cultural thing and is not a bad thing, so why fi...
by DevilsAdvocate
09 Mar 2010, 15:59
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3712

Re: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

One thing I know is that science requires that we be willing to CHANGE our beliefs. One must be ever ready to "unlearn" old truths and relearn truth to a newer, fuller understanding. This is growth. ...I'm not a prophet, I don't lead the Church, but science has changed the world so much. "Switch th...
by DevilsAdvocate
09 Mar 2010, 12:11
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3712

Re: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

Devil's Advocate, another very sincere question: What do you want from this forum? I ask that simply because I think we all pretty much agree completely with most of what you just wrote - most of it at least at some level. However, in the context of this forum, what are you looking to get out of yo...
by DevilsAdvocate
09 Mar 2010, 12:06
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3712

Re: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

To me the Church should ideally be about Christian fellowship first and foremost more than insisting on the acceptance of certain doctrines and telling people what to do in great detail. Sure they have backed off on the idea of young earth creationism, a global flood, etc. since the heyday of Josep...
by DevilsAdvocate
08 Mar 2010, 18:46
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3712

Re: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

Questions for internal contemplation, that I believe you are going to have to consider if you are going to find peace and joy within the LDS Church: 1) Why do you need to read between the lines? I'm just trying to understand what they are thinking and what these statements really mean if taken to t...
by DevilsAdvocate
05 Mar 2010, 18:47
Forum: History and Doctrine Discussions
Topic: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom
Replies: 40
Views: 3712

Re: Reactionary disrespect for science and intellectual freedom

I'm not sure what your point is DevilsAdvocate. If you are trying to let us know that a leader in the Church might say something incorrect, or that you don't believe them, that isn't newsworthy here. We get it. That's why we are here. You have to post something about a reconciliation strategy or a ...