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Hi NotaMember I think one of our standard "heros" here on StayLDS may be worth you reading, M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Travelled. What is important in his book is that love takes effort, it is work. A kind of summary that I nabbed off of Wikipedia about love is: Instead "true" love is about the ex...

Poppyseed this is a good question and from my own personal point of view potentially dangerous, what if on consideration I decide that indeed I am a tare? What is there to do? On a more prosaic level Wikipedia comes to information front with this artlice : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolium_temulen...

Thanks Ray, that is a wonderful example of the kind of Christ like service we need to focus on. I do a narrower variation on it with my teenage Gospel Doctrine class. I have come to realize that the "transmission of knowledge about the gospel" doesn't really take place in the 30 to 45 minutes of a S...

Goodtruebeautiful I really appreciate the care and thoroughness of your post, it is so heartfelt and in many ways so painful to read it but you have a courageous soul, don't ever doubt that. Valoel suggested that you look at James Fowler's material and I think that may be crucial. It seems to me tha...

Thank you Ray that is a great link and a wonderfully well written discussion of grace. I'm glad that you were lazy and just posted it.

Chris I understand and share your uneasiness but I have too much of a testimony of so many other aspects of the Book of Mormon that I can put the death of Laban on a shelf and wait for insight at some further point in life. I used to skip all of Alma simply because of the constant warfare and bloods...

Thanks Ray for sharing that post. I can really identify and feel what she is saying. I am very impressed that she is able to stand back from it and understand. As a Church we do have too much of a "public" emphasis on works and it is so important to really grasp the importance of the grace that Chri...

Hawkgrrl thanks for your thoughts, I always appreciate your comments in posts you have a good grasp of reality and honestly state some quite good insights. In this case I focused on: The only caution about that is that sometimes we get a calling we don't think is suitable, but I do think you have to...

Thanks Valoel and Ray for the good advice, I appreciate it. Interestingly StayLDS has performed an immensely valuable service for me and I would like to share that. I had thought that the core of my difficulties with the Church focused around the correlation program, the beaurocracy of the Church, t...

I was considering placing this in Humanist's "What if you don't want to go on a mission" thread and decided that it was related, yes but really coming from another angle and time frame so thought I would bring it up here and ask for some help and ideas. Since my wife and I have been retired for 4 ye...