After temple ordinances...am I done?

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After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by Heber13 » 16 Feb 2019, 02:03

I was baptized at age 8.
I received the priesthood at age 12, the MP at age 18.
I entered the temple before my mission to take out my endowments.
I was sealed in the temple for a celestial marriage at age 22.

According to our church doctrine...is there anything else I am required to do?

Endure to the end? Surely there are lots of ways to endure to the end, right?

Even if I never go to church again...does our doctrine (not traditional teachings of leaders who may try to keep me motivated to be engaged...not that...but actual doctrine) support that I should be exalted?

I have my ordinances done, right?
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by SamBee » 16 Feb 2019, 02:44

(Cough) Second anointing.

But seriously, I suppose the answer is to raise a new generation to do the same. Or progress through the leadership ranks.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by Heber13 » 16 Feb 2019, 03:29

What if I never go to church again but I raise my kids up and they choose to go to church, serve missions, go to the temple? Am I still good?
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by SamBee » 16 Feb 2019, 03:32

Apparently not, because if they put a foot wrong, then it's blamed on you.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by Heber13 » 16 Feb 2019, 03:35

That sounds like my exaltation is in the hands (or foot) of my kids to be judged ;)

That's not doctrine.
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by nibbler » 16 Feb 2019, 07:56

I can't speak for the doctrines but personally, I'm done when I accept that I'm done. One of those contradiction things, I only obtain salvation after deciding to stop chasing it.

Baptism
AP and MP (for whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods)
Endowment
Sealed
Second anointing
Third anointing
etc.

With each step I felt a little more elite, a little more secure before god, a little less fearful of eternity. When I needed them, the steps were a vital part of growth. I would have struggled without them.

A part of what drives our spirit is achieving the next thing. We work hard to arrive at the waters of baptism but once we've passed through them we set our sights on the next thing we need. Once we obtain whatever that is, we set our sights on the next thing we'll need. Always looking forward, never arriving.

It's not a bad thing. I'm currently sitting in an air conditioned room typing on a computer instead of banging rocks together to start a fire. All because generations of people that yearned for something more.

It's not a good thing. How can I ever be satisfied when I reach whatever goal I've set for myself only to find that it doesn't provide lasting happiness and that I always turn my gaze to the next thing I mistakenly believe will make me happy?

Returning to the ordinance example. It can be a good thing that there's a finite number of ordinances. People can arrive at being sealed/endowed and rest, knowing they're done all they can do. A finite number of ordinances can also leave people wanting, banging spiritual rocks together to make a spiritual fire instead of sitting in a spiritual air conditioned room typing on a spiritual computer.

Then again, I'd ask how productive additional ordinances would be. Would it help people grow spiritually or would it just create additional groups of haves and have-nots? Is it filling a need or feeding an ego?

The church does create a big rush that places many people in a position where they've received all of their ordinances in their early 20s. It can leave people with that, "Now what?" feeling for 50-60 years.

Maybe they could offer the rank and file a "second anointing." Similar to when old people renew their wedding vows, from time to time people can opt to receive their own endowment again rather than going to the temple to do it vicariously for someone else. A more explicit way to renew covenants (or make the new ones after the temple changes :angel: ) than taking the sacrament. That might make it special for people, I dunno.
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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by grobert93 » 16 Feb 2019, 08:33

I have been trying to figure this out for years. Having been raised in a half TBM half independently thinking but progressive family, i became TMB out of thinking it was the right thing to do. So i was excited whenever i moved up in the priesthood offices, when i was one step closer to eagle (back before that became a mess and was actually taught by multiple apostles and prophets as almost an expectation from the Lord to get your Eagle), worthy for a mission etc. On the mission i would tell people that enduring to the end meant doing family history work, serving others, teaching others the gospel, serving in callings, raising a family and doing good in the world. Now that I’m a RM who’s gotten married with a kid and going through my education, suddenly all of the leaders and friends we once had who were also RM, also getting married, also about to have a kid are now leaving us alone. It seems that being 25 with a wife and kid means ive done it all... so i now believe that part of the endure to the end could very well mean serving others in ways you deem appropriate.

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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by SilentDawning » 16 Feb 2019, 08:37

Conventional wisdom in the church would say that enduring to the end means keeping your covenants, not just making them once. So, you have to keep attending, continue serving, continue praying, obeying the commandments, paying your tithing, and striving for the ideal character described in the temple. Think of the covenants you made when you received the priesthood and went to the temple. You need to keep those promises from now and presumably throughout eternity.

For me, the juice in your post is not in whether you can coast now that you've passed through all the ordinances; it's how to stay motivated until you die, and beyond.

That is a really good question. For most members, it's the carrot of living with God in the celestial kingdom, being there with all of your family, etcetera -- that's the motivator. Since I haven't endured the way the church or my covenants would dictate, I don't have any advice to add. The question is more for someone on a traditional believer's site, I think, although I appreciate you raising the issue here.
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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by nibbler » 16 Feb 2019, 08:39

I think that the "highest" calling one obtains can fill the void of what happens once you've checked all the boxes... at least for men.
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Re: After temple ordinances...am I done?

Post by dande48 » 16 Feb 2019, 19:15

As with most doctrines, it's very ambiguous, and open to personal interpretation. D&C 132:26 states
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God."
So, according to this scripture, if you are married and sealed by the "Holy Spirit of Promise", you will be exalted no matter what you do, unless you shed innocent blood. But of course, what is meant by the "Holy Spirit of Promise" is very ambiguous. Does anyone who is sealed in the tempe, sealed by the "Holy Spirit of Promise"? Does it happen at the moment of sealing, or after this life? Because I can find plenty of references supporting both.

BUT... is it worth fretting about these things? I think a better question to ask is, are you happy? Becayse, frankly, no one knows the rest.
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