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BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Curt Sunshine » 25 Feb 2020, 17:25

BYU recently changed the Honor Code in a significant way - moving "homosexual behavior" from the prohibitions. Sexual activity now is treated equally, with same-sex hand holding, kissing, etc. allowed just like those activities among heterosexual students. By extension, bi-sexual activity fits within the new standard. Also, of note, investigations no longer may be generated by student OR ecclesiastical concerns/suspicions.

The new Handbook changes regarding transgender members follow similar lines. Reassignment surgery no longer triggers excommunication or disfellowshipment; transgender individuals may be baptized and hold callings; etc.

I would like to see more, but these are huge changes.

I hope the members "follow the Prophet" on this one. :P
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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by LDS_Scoutmaster » 26 Feb 2020, 15:59

I recently got back on to Twitter and saw a lot of posts regarding saving byu etc. Not having attended I didn't have the same feeling of nostalgia for the way things were or changes.

Hopefully there will be some middle ground for people on both sides.
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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Arrakeen » 26 Feb 2020, 21:23

I've seen mostly positive reactions from other students so far. Though many are disappointed that the change had nothing to do with beards.

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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by DarkJedi » 27 Feb 2020, 08:21

I admit that at first I was skeptical and I didn't fully see what BYU was saying. The handbook itself is quite vague on the subject but BYU is being more descript IMO. I'm glad for the changes and hope the more conservatives (especially the more militant ones) can see their way to letting progress happen.

I have children at BYU. This is just a point of interest, I suppose, but one of them has an openly gay professor and they discussed this and other handbook changes in class. When my oldest started at BYU 10 years ago this would never have happened.
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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Roy » 27 Feb 2020, 16:03

This is a good change!
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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Sheldon » 28 Feb 2020, 16:33

BYU as an institution is under pressure to have an official non-discrimination policy. (BYU-I, BYU-H, and Ensign College haven't felt this pressure, yet.) This pressure is coming from accreditation bodies as well as grad schools and employers who discount the value of a BYU undergraduate degree.

Therefore, the institution is now "officially" non-discriminatory. However, every student still has to get an ecclesiastical endorsement every year from their respective bishops. In effect, the university has delegated the policing of LGBTQ students from the honor code office to the bishops of student wards. Some of those bishops will be decent human beings and others will be complete jerks. Leadership roulette at its finest.

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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Curt Sunshine » 29 Feb 2020, 09:34

That might be true, but removing the official restriction means it is okay to be openly non-heterosexual at BYU. That means no ecclesiastical leader will be able deny an endorsement based on, "You can't be you there. It is against the rules."

Yes, roulette still is in play, but now a leader has to disregard policy to withhold an endorsement - and they can't use sexual or gender orientation as a legitimate policy reason. That is an important aspect of the change.
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Post by felixfabulous » 04 Mar 2020, 15:36

This was so poorly rolled out and walked back. I am wondering if the Church did not think that LGBTQ students at BYU would take it this far and would be more discreet or that they would keep the status quo and the Church would get some PR points and take less heat from recruiters and other universities. It seemed like everyone was totally unprepared to answer basic questions about affection and dating and everyone scrambled to come up with a roll back "clarification" several weeks after the toothpaste was out of the tube.

I fear this will do much more PR harm than good in the long run and is going to further alienate many BYU students and progressive Church members.

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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by LookingHard » 04 Mar 2020, 16:20

I think it will bring more bad PR than if they would have just left it alone.

I did hear there was a small number of students that were adamant "this isn't right!!!". Those individuals are going to be even more emboldened. :(

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Re: BYU Honor Code and Handbook Changes

Post by Curt Sunshine » 04 Mar 2020, 21:31

To say I am disappointed by the recent statements about the policy would be an understatement.

Literally, the policy changed. It didn't need a doctrinal clarification. It was a University policy. It would have been fine if it conflicted with someone's idea of what the current doctrine is.

All-or-nothing mindsets drive me crazy. Let there be some gray.
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Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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