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Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 27 May 2019, 11:54
by BJE
In my opinion the whole building cleaning thing comes down to saving money. When you consider the thousands of buildings the church has it must save millions of dollars per year. Now they are moving to the members cleaning the temples as well.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 27 May 2019, 12:10
by DarkJedi
Katzpur wrote:
27 May 2019, 10:11
SilentDawning wrote:
26 May 2019, 16:39
Normally, I just ignore it and don't volunteer. I recognize that this shifts the burden to others, probably the Same Ten People (STP), but it's been my way of coping with what I feel is egocentrism...
Lucky you. In my home ward (which I'm fortunately not attending while serving at the jail), the names of the people in the ward who have been assigned to do the cleaning are listed in the monthly ward newsletter. That's how you -- and everyone else in the ward -- finds out who's got the job. :lolno: Maybe I shouldn't be complaining. At least we haven't been assigned to clean the jail!
Every team is in big letters on the bulletin board and the assigned team for the week, complete with names, is in the bulletin. Doesn't phase us.

As far as the jail thing goes, where I live the inmates have cleaning jobs. They get paid whatever tiny amount it is, and for the most part don't do a fantastic job. Where I work (kiddie jail) I vacuum my own office and take my own trash out - but I figure they're paying me to do it (at least I'm getting paid while I do it) and I generally take the long way to and from the dumpster when it's nice out.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 28 May 2019, 10:59
by Holy Cow
Our ward used to meet in a very small building, which we didn't share with any other wards. As a result, the cleaning assignment went pretty quick and nobody seemed to mind it too much. It would take three families about 45 minutes to clean the whole building. At the beginning of the year, our ward was reassigned to meet in the stake center. So, we have a much bigger building shared with multiple wards, plus stake activities. We would have five families cleaning on Saturday mornings, and it would take about two hours. Participation quickly started to drop. The wards met to discuss how to improve this. It was decided that the ward responsible for cleaning that week would meet to clean the building on Tuesday night, before any ward/stake activities. That way, the building is already much cleaner to start with and the cleaning goes much faster. Every group that meets in the building during the week is expected to completely clean up after themselves (kitchen, nursery, vacuuming, sweeping, chair set up, etc.) So, the building is now being cleaned up by the YM/YW after they use the building, by seminary students after they finish class, and by anybody else using the building for weddings, etc. We also have a retired guy called as the facility supervisor. It's his job to take a walk through the building after each activity and call the YM/YW leaders, seminary teachers, or families who reserved the building, to tell them if something wasn't cleaned up, and it's their responsibility to come back to the building to clean up what was missed. It didn't take long before the adults started doing a more thorough sweep of the building to make sure it was completely cleaned before they left. I've also seen youth being more careful with the messes they make, knowing that they're the ones who will have to clean up after themselves.
Now, the Tuesday night cleaning only takes about 1/2 hour, which is much more palatable. I hate cleaning the building, but I'm willing to put in 1/2 hour every few months when our family's turn comes up.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 28 May 2019, 14:34
by DarkJedi
Good point HC. We are a single ward meeting in the stake center. It is the responsibility of whoever is using the building to clean up after themselves. This does lessen the load considerably. We likewise have a guy that checks and isn't afraid to call and say "Hey, you didn't take your trash out of the kitchen or vacuum the YW room. Please do it ASAP." This includes stake activities.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 30 May 2019, 20:49
by BJE
Perhaps the reason for the members cleaning the church buildings is to see who is valiant and who is not.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 30 May 2019, 21:32
by Cadence
Long time ago I was in charge of the Stake Farm. It was my job to round up volunteers to go pull weeds or pick tomatoes or such. I hated begging people to go and ended up filling many of the assignments myself. Then I had a brainstorm. We could just ask members for 10 bucks so we could hire some temps to do the work. I figured almost any member would pay 10 bucks not to have to go to the stake farm. I floated the idea around. Well you can imagine the response I got. I was missing the point it was all about service bla bla bla.

Still think it was a good idea, I would pay 10 bucks not to clean the chapel


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Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 31 May 2019, 03:35
by DarkJedi
Cadence wrote:
30 May 2019, 21:32
Long time ago I was in charge of the Stake Farm. It was my job to round up volunteers to go pull weeds or pick tomatoes or such. I hated begging people to go and ended up filling many of the assignments myself. Then I had a brainstorm. We could just ask members for 10 bucks so we could hire some temps to do the work. I figured almost any member would pay 10 bucks not to have to go to the stake farm. I floated the idea around. Well you can imagine the response I got. I was missing the point it was all about service bla bla bla.

Still think it was a good idea, I would pay 10 bucks not to clean the chapel
I wouldn't pay, not because of the whole service thing (which is a standard argument) but because I think the church has plenty of money to pay for real janitors. That's why I do my own little "civil disobedience" and just don't do it. If everybody did that the church would have to make a change.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 31 May 2019, 11:58
by SilentDawning
DarkJedi wrote:
31 May 2019, 03:35
Cadence wrote:
30 May 2019, 21:32
Long time ago I was in charge of the Stake Farm. It was my job to round up volunteers to go pull weeds or pick tomatoes or such. I hated begging people to go and ended up filling many of the assignments myself. Then I had a brainstorm. We could just ask members for 10 bucks so we could hire some temps to do the work. I figured almost any member would pay 10 bucks not to have to go to the stake farm. I floated the idea around. Well you can imagine the response I got. I was missing the point it was all about service bla bla bla.

Still think it was a good idea, I would pay 10 bucks not to clean the chapel
I wouldn't pay, not because of the whole service thing (which is a standard argument) but because I think the church has plenty of money to pay for real janitors. That's why I do my own little "civil disobedience" and just don't do it. If everybody did that the church would have to make a change.
I had the same thought. My son needs interaction with other members and could use the money, why not pay him to do our familys' chapel cleaning commitment? I decided no, because I feel the church shouldn't be putting this on the backs of the members.

I don't think it's all about service either. Service is just free labor when the servee can afford to pay someone.

I also believe in voting with one's feet. While I know the church imposes discipline if you start a movement, nothing is wrong with simply deciding not to do something. And if enough people don't do it, and the leaders can see past the possible pride or blindness that comes from considering all policies inspire, non-cooperation can effect change eventually.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 16:11
by Roy
As someone who does not pay tithing, I find it extra important to find ways to contribute to the church that I feel are personally sustainable. I currently do most of that by holding a calling with the cub scout program, feeding the missionaries, and helping with the occasional EQ move. I could personally justify cleaning the church building under the same reasoning.

Re: Irksome Approach to Chapel Cleaning

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 23:14
by BJE
I had to miss my cleaning assignment this past Saturday because I had to work. The person in charge today did not want to let me off the hook and wanted me to do it next Saturday but again I have to work. The Saturday after that I’ll be out of town on vacation then the Saturday after that I have a Taekwondo tournament to go to. Then our quarter for cleaning is over. Assigning people do do something against their schedule is not a good workable solution to building cleaning.