New Sunday School - Not.

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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by On Own Now » 07 Feb 2019, 07:52

nibbler wrote:
05 Feb 2019, 16:56
One challenge with having two competing GD classes would be people gravitating to the class with their favorite teacher. Maybe people's favorite teacher comes out in the wash, some prefer person A's style, other people prefer person B's style, but it could be an issue if you get a really good teacher in one class and a real bore in another. I imagine they'd have to do it by assignment. People assigned to a specific class.
There could be a prospectus for each class. Name one "SS - By the Book" and the other "SS - An Exploration". SS - By the Book could be described as being founded in repentance, obedience, and following the prophet. SS - An Exploration could be described as finding spiritual meaning in the NT for your own life. The ward will divide itself.

Or maybe just make sure that there are two good teachers to make the decision hard, and people will find the one that best suits them.

If people had to choose, I believe that there are enough differing desires that it would take care of itself.

I know in my own case that people looking for more repentance, obedience, and follow-the-prophet would seek out the other teacher... and that wouldn't offend me in the slightest.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by Roy » 07 Feb 2019, 10:00

DarkJedi wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 06:49
small groups outside class are encouraged (and the WML/EQC could facilitate groups of people taking lessons/new members), discussion should stay focused on the core principles of the gospel, and don't forget that the program is really home centered.
My family has been approached by the missionaries to host a weekly "temple prep" discussion in our home. One of the newer members is a coworker and we are on friendly terms. DW and I have accepted but need to tell the missionaries that we will be unable to act as temple escorts when the time comes. This may be one potential solution to the class situation - meetings in member homes.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by nibbler » 07 Feb 2019, 10:43

DarkJedi wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 06:49
Just curious because every unit here is using their chapel for SS because that's the only space large enough. What's happening in places where multiple wards use the same building and the chapel is being used for another SM?
We're in the chapel, and it's a mess because another ward starts their SM immediately after our block ends. I'm sure the other ward always gets a late start to their SM because they have to wait for an entire chapel full of people socialize as they shuffle out before they can get situated.

But I think that's a fairly unique circumstance. Our youth are shared between wards. They do SS first and SM last so that the youth from both wards can meet together in the same classes during the "second" hour (first hour for them).

With the two hour block the third ward in our building has a schedule that doesn't overlap at all with our two wards. During the 3 hour block era the third ward in our building would have many extracurricular meetings going on during our third hour. I suspect that's how most multi-ward buildings are faring. The 2 hour block created that much more of a buffer between wards.
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There could be a prospectus for each class. Name one "SS - By the Book" and the other "SS - An Exploration". SS - By the Book could be described as being founded in repentance, obedience, and following the prophet. SS - An Exploration could be described as finding spiritual meaning in the NT for your own life. The ward will divide itself.
Gotta be careful there too. If one class sounds like it's more advanced than the other then human nature might take over and everyone will want to attend the advanced class. And I know a few peeps that would want to attend an exploration SS class so they can steer it back towards the book.

"GD1" and "GD2"? Attend whichever one your friends attend.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by DarkJedi » 08 Feb 2019, 06:22

On Own Now wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 07:52
There could be a prospectus for each class. Name one "SS - By the Book" and the other "SS - An Exploration". SS - By the Book could be described as being founded in repentance, obedience, and following the prophet. SS - An Exploration could be described as finding spiritual meaning in the NT for your own life. The ward will divide itself.
I think that's exactly what our SP is afraid of. In context, our YSA branch once did have two Sunday Schools, pretty much designated as you outline. It was because some of the members of the branch thought the "regular" class was too simple and they wanted to discuss things in more depth. On the surface that's not so bad. What happened though is that the more "advanced" class devolved into pseudo-doctrine and just plain false doctrine (taught as doctrine) bringing in works from the likes of Skousen and other speculators. I think that coupled with the training and counsel he's received from the GAs he's very reticent to do anything outside the prescribed program.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by On Own Now » 08 Feb 2019, 11:04

My vote, actually, would be for GD1 and GD2.

However, there is a practical way to divide that isn't entirely driven by popularity: Each week, us teachers have to consolidate down from two weeks of lessons from home study, into one lesson of SS study. Could just say, Class A always focuses on the first week of material, Class B on the second. When deciding which class to attend each week, choose the one you most want to discuss. That has a side benefit of motivation to come at least knowing what the lessons are about, and adds a bit of a subliminal suggestion that it assume you are ready to talk about it.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by nibbler » 08 Feb 2019, 11:38

That's a pretty good idea.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by Curt Sunshine » 08 Feb 2019, 21:50

I love that idea, OON.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by Minyan Man » 09 Feb 2019, 15:22

mom3 wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 21:01
I have tried it. I don't like it. The taste, texture, sound. None of it....
Last week I asked a good friend in my ward:
How do you like the new schedule?
He said:
I can get use to it.
His comment made me think, What an interesting way to phrase his answer.
Are we making too much of this? I personally don't like change. Even when I complaint that I wish we had more change.
I have made up my mind that I will give it a chance and see if I can get use to it too.
If I just can't, I'll do something else.

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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by Katzpur » 10 Feb 2019, 18:34

mom3 wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 21:01
One brother shared how he used boards with nails in them, and then withdrawn the nails, leaving behind wood with holes. I won't go any farther.
I wish you had -- and in class, too.
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Re: New Sunday School - Not.

Post by mom3 » 10 Feb 2019, 21:10

I wish you had -- and in class, too.
Right now, that is huge struggle for me. I am having trouble speaking up. Something I haven't had before. I am feeling tidal waved. I think I will post about it.
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