What should be ADDED to the WoW?

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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by Roy » 14 Jan 2019, 08:54

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14 Jan 2019, 07:55
A few months ago the For the Strength of the Youth booklet came up in a family discussion with my now adult children. They each talked about how much they disliked that book and how they believe it's not helpful for youth simply because all it is is a bunch more rules. Who wants more rules when it's hard enough to keep the ones youth already have?
As an aside I remember FTSOY being a tiny pamphlet that was mostly about dating and morality. A few nights ago my daughter showed me the new FTSOY and it seemed like a manual by comparison. It seems to have lots of general good advice. I have suggested to DW that we read it together with 13 yr old DD just to have a starting point for life development conversations.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by DarkJedi » 14 Jan 2019, 10:26

Roy wrote:
14 Jan 2019, 08:54
DarkJedi wrote:
14 Jan 2019, 07:55
A few months ago the For the Strength of the Youth booklet came up in a family discussion with my now adult children. They each talked about how much they disliked that book and how they believe it's not helpful for youth simply because all it is is a bunch more rules. Who wants more rules when it's hard enough to keep the ones youth already have?
As an aside I remember FTSOY being a tiny pamphlet that was mostly about dating and morality. A few nights ago my daughter showed me the new FTSOY and it seemed like a manual by comparison. It seems to have lots of general good advice. I have suggested to DW that we read it together with 13 yr old DD just to have a starting point for life development conversations.
I would have done (and did do) the same thing in my more orthodox days. I still don't think it's wrong to have those kinds of conversations with your kids - but in more general terms. I had forgotten FTSOY was recently updated, but it is still very orthodox and still has plenty of additional rules (one set of earrings, don't shop on Sunday, don't date until you're 16 and then only in groups, etc.). If you believe those things are commandments (as they are presented in the booklet) and want to teach them to your family, that's great and I hope it works out for you. The nuanced approach can also be tried (perhaps presenting stuff not as commandments but as guidelines or suggestions, especially poignant now with the home centered ideal). One other thing I noticed about the update and then we'll get back on topic - it talks about Jesus Christ more now. It didn't really mention Christ at all before.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by Roy » 14 Jan 2019, 11:55

Yes, I was thinking of talking about underlying principles behind the advice. (one point that I took note of was the advice to remove your headphones when people are trying to include you in a discussion or activity) I think we are mostly on the same page here. :thumbup:
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by On Own Now » 14 Jan 2019, 13:00

SamBee wrote:
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is there anything you would add to the WoW?
An underline to the phrase "not by commandment or constraint".
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by SamBee » 14 Jan 2019, 15:53

On Own Now wrote:
14 Jan 2019, 13:00
SamBee wrote:
13 Jan 2019, 15:57
is there anything you would add to the WoW?
An underline to the phrase "not by commandment or constraint".
:lol: Touché.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by dande48 » 14 Jan 2019, 19:31

Just saw this article, stating that we are now more likely to die from opiod overdose than from a motor-vehicle crash. I know Utah has historically had a pretty bad record with this, and am not sure what the numbers are. But I remember hearing that over 2/3 of the overdose fatalities were caused by perscription drugs.

I think that's one of the bigger issues with drawing the line at legal vs illegal drugs. What makes a drug legal or illegal, sadly, isn't about how much harm it can do. It's about who has the money, what's the most/least popular, and/or what demographic you want to discriminate against.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by SamBee » 15 Jan 2019, 04:55

The USA is really bad with prescriptions. I don't think healthcare and profiteering mix well, and it leads to situations where medication is pushed more as a product than a cure to something. (Medication probably helps staving off political, social and economic turmoil.)
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by mom3 » 16 Jan 2019, 22:44

If we were to add to it - Portion Sizes. In America the bigger the better. Not good. Period. Arteries, colon, brain cells, not to mention intestines can't handle it.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by SilentDawning » 19 Jan 2019, 13:44

Absolutely nothing. Teach principles of good health and leave it at that.
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Re: What should be ADDED to the WoW?

Post by Katzpur » 26 Jan 2019, 18:44

On Own Now wrote:
14 Jan 2019, 13:00
SamBee wrote:
13 Jan 2019, 15:57
is there anything you would add to the WoW?
An underline to the phrase "not by commandment or constraint".
Amen!
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