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Two Hour Church

Post by SilentDawning » 06 Oct 2018, 10:43

And so -- the rumors are true. It was announced that we are moving to two hour church in January. One hour of Sacrament meeting followed by 10 minutes of movement between meetings, followed by a second meeting, and that's it (you can have meet and greets etcetera afterwards). The second meeting alternates between Sunday School and PH/RS. 5th Sunday is the Bishop's call. The reduced time allows for personal study, and there is an individual/family curriculum for study in the home being published.

1. What do you think of this?
2. Do you think that members in general will use the extra hour for personal study every Sunday?
3. Do you think two hour church is simply a way of maximizing the use of our buildings by fitting more wards into the same building on Sunday?
4. Or do you think this truly helps move the balance more toward helping individuals and families?
5. Overall, what do you think of this change?

I will say this -- my wife teared up and did a happy dance all over the living room when it was announced. As a nursery leader, two hours is really hard on her. She is SO happy.

I personally wish they had kept PH and RS (maybe a bit shorter), and cut out everything but the sacrament for Sacrament meeting for a 2 hour experience.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by Minyan Man » 06 Oct 2018, 10:56

I wonder if there a practical reason for this change too.
Now we can have (3) wards in the same building.
This way we can build fewer chapels & better utilize the space.

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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by SilentDawning » 06 Oct 2018, 11:12

Minyan Man wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 10:56
I wonder if there a practical reason for this change too.
Now we can have (3) wards in the same building.
This way we can build fewer chapels & better utilize the space.
That's what I think. They framed it as a last days thing, with more responsibility placed on the individual for their own salvation, but practically, I think it's motivated partly by practical/financial considerations. I also think that the accompanying practical benefits (fewer meeting houses, that are largely underutilized most of the week) would make this spiritual change/easing up on the members more convincing to the higher ups.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by DarkJedi » 06 Oct 2018, 11:22

SilentDawning wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 10:43
What do you think of this? Do you think that members in general will use the extra hour for personal study every Sunday? Do you think two hour church is simply a way of maximizing the use of our buildings by fitting more wards into the same building on Sunday? Or do you think this truly helps move the balance more toward helping individuals and families? Overall, what do you think of this change?
1. Love it.
2. Some will use the hour to study, most probably won't. (I probably won't study any more than I already do.)
3. Could be, not an issue where I live because wards are so far apart. Could help in Utah where buildings seem to be on every other block.
4. I think it could and will for the more orthodox. Maybe for the less orthodox.
5. Love it.

FWIW, I did not tear up but I did do a happy dance.

And I think SS is a sacred cow and this is a compromise of sorts. Can't shake the boat too much for the Old Guard. But I'm fine with it, partly because it's now easier to make it even a one hour block.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by SilentDawning » 06 Oct 2018, 12:35

One problem it creates for me is that I had my own two hour church going. I felt SS and PH were the best meetings. So, now do I go down to 1 hour church? I never really liked sitting through Sacrament meeting. Those two hours were good for my son when he went, too.

Two hour church is nice, but it means trading one tolerable hour for an intolerable one.

Anyway, it's still a good thing. I have a feeling I'll be on the one hour church plan. Much better.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by Gerald » 06 Oct 2018, 13:09

I am probably in the minority but I actually felt a little sad about the change. However upon reflection I realized that what I would miss was Sunday School each Sunday. If they had eliminated the priesthood meeting, I wouldn’t have minded. I have never felt that meeting to be as enjoyable. But I kinda like Sunday School. Yeah, it’s boring sometimes and weird at other times but I have a soft spot in my heart for it.


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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by Minyan Man » 06 Oct 2018, 13:33

Nothing was said about the impact to Primary. My wife feels a little disappointed.
She feels that they didn't have enough time the way it was. I always avoided 2nd hour
Sunday School by doing Family History training. Now that's gone.

I'm sure we'll adapt.

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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by dande48 » 06 Oct 2018, 13:55

My wife was super excited as well. Our daughter does not do great with three hours of Church.
SilentDawning wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 10:43
1. What do you think of this?
2. Do you think that members in general will use the extra hour for personal study every Sunday?
3. Do you think two hour church is simply a way of maximizing the use of our buildings by fitting more wards into the same building on Sunday?
4. Or do you think this truly helps move the balance more toward helping individuals and families?
5. Overall, what do you think of this change?
1. I think Church just got 33% easier for me.
2. Probably not. If they're the type to use the extra hour for personal study, they probably already do it anyways.
3. I think that's too cynical. TBH, I think it's in order to increase activity and retention. 2 hours is a lot more manageable than 3, and with a church emphasizing strict obedience, many people feel they have to be all in or all out. I just became easier to be all in.
4. I don't know, but I hope so!
5. In the second session, when sustaining Church leaders, my wife noted she didn't hear any opposed. I think this is why.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by SamBee » 06 Oct 2018, 14:27

dande48 wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 13:55
5. In the second session, when sustaining Church leaders, my wife noted she didn't hear any opposed. I think this is why.
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Re: Two Hour Church

Post by Heber13 » 06 Oct 2018, 15:25

I am happy it changed and perhaps the alternating schedule is a compromise to all callings and groups so people keep callings they have and will be an interim change until they decide to change the curriculum to fit the meetings.

They can pilot this change for a while and see what is working and what is not and then make a slight change again to adjust and make it practical.

My first reaction is I feel it makes easier on families and it is good they care about that.

For me, I think it also makes it easier to pick some weeks I want to skip out after SM. A little more freedom since class won't be the same and priesthood won't be each week....a little easier to hide for me I think.
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