Name of The Church - Version 152

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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by Roy » 16 Aug 2018, 17:23

· The term "Mormonism" is inaccurate and should not be used. When describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the term "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" is accurate and preferred.
Really? The term "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" is accurate to refer to the culture and lifestyle of church members? As in, "The restored gospel of Jesus Christ really sticks in my craw." or "Within the restored gospel of Jesus Christ people can be overly insular, and judgmental, even unchristian" or "In the restored gospel of Jesus Christ some people discourage the use of face cards or consumption of caffienated sodas."???

I always wonder if there are not legal underpinnings for much of the changes that the church makes. I am convinced that the church took away custodians because of workman's comp, OSHA, and fair labor standards act issues. Also the Family Proc. and later POX make sense as a legal bulwark against ever being "forced" to accept or normalize homosexuality or gay marriage. I do know that the church has no legal claim to the word Mormon. No copyright or trademark. I could start up a Mormon church tomorrow (or write a Mormon Book or play) and the CoJCoLDS would not be able to do anything about it. however, if this is a legal strategy I am not sure what the endgame might be. Other than forcing everyone into awkward phrasing with nebulous meanings - I do not really see an advantage.

I do find it somewhat ironic that this is being framed as a revelation - but it is basically the same thing that Elder Nelson asked of us way back in 1990.
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by DarkJedi » 16 Aug 2018, 18:20

Roy wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 17:23
I do find it somewhat ironic that this is being framed as a revelation - but it is basically the same thing that Elder Nelson asked of us way back in 1990.
Just my opinion, but I think RMN is prone to pulling the revelation card as a power play. On the other hand, I suppose it does depend on one's definition of revelation.

And, I already have issues with trying to assert that we're better or more right than other churches or religions. The restored Church of Jesus Christ? Give me a break. If Christ organized a church, and I don't see the evidence he did, this is far from that.
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by felixfabulous » 17 Aug 2018, 05:23

I agree with the other comments here. I think this really cheapens the idea of revelation. With all that is going on right now, why would God take a firm stand on this issue? Especially when we've been here before and it has not worked.

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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by DarkJedi » 17 Aug 2018, 07:02

This thought occurred to me: I think the bigger struggle with dropping Mormon comes outside the church as opposed to inside. The RLDS changed their name to the Community of Christ in 2001. How long did it take before that was regularly accepted and used by the world? (Most of the world probably didn't notice or care, actually.)
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by Roadrunner » 17 Aug 2018, 07:11

I live in Arizona, which is no Utah, and this made the morning news. The two news anchors respectfully asked "why?" In their view Mormon was simply an easy nickname and held no negative connotation. Interestingly they also said that many members of the church were questioning this decision and that they would interview some members about it.

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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by On Own Now » 17 Aug 2018, 08:22

Something like 20-ish years ago, the Church tried to get people to use the correct pronunciation of "Ensign". It still strikes me as funny. I'm not really a sarcastic, eye-rolling person, but I never bothered to learn the 'correct' pronunciation and I still call it the "ENsun".

I still hear "Ephriam" instead of "Ephraim" and even more so, I hear "Jarius" instead of "Jairus". Maybe the Church... er... God... should get us to correct those.

ETB called it the "Book of Marmon".
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by mom3 » 17 Aug 2018, 09:15

ETB called it the "Book of Marmon"
I love the Marmons so much.
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by DarkJedi » 17 Aug 2018, 09:31

mom3 wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 09:15
ETB called it the "Book of Marmon"
I love the Marmons so much.
Maybe Gawd told him to say it that way. :D
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by Heber13 » 17 Aug 2018, 12:00

I say that instead of focusing on our name, we focus on our actions.

Most know nowadays "LDS" or "mormon" is an informal reference, not actual name of church.

God goes by many names, I'm sure he is cool with his church having a few.

Let's worry about the policies and actions that show who we are.
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Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
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Re: Name of The Church - Version 152

Post by nibbler » 17 Aug 2018, 12:33

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