New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

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New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by Ann » 18 Jun 2018, 16:51

And they’re asking for opinions and experiences with church music.

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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by Curt Sunshine » 18 Jun 2018, 17:09

I was about to post some details from lds.org. (I added more to the title.)

My favorite two changes:

1) National anthems are being removed.

2) "Sacred music of local interest may be made available to members by language through digital channels as appropriate and doctrinally correct."

#1 is important. #2 is HUGE!!!
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by mom3 » 18 Jun 2018, 19:42

Hooray - Something of value. This is loooong overdue.
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by SamBee » 19 Jun 2018, 03:06

Curt Sunshine wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 17:09
I was about to post some details from lds.org. (I added more to the title.)

My favorite two changes:

1) National anthems are being removed.

2) "Sacred music of local interest may be made available to members by language through digital channels as appropriate and doctrinally correct."

#1 is important. #2 is HUGE!!!
It always seemed strange to me that O Canada and Advance Australia Fair etc were not in there. Especially the former given that there is a kind of mini-Utah in Alberta.
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by dande48 » 19 Jun 2018, 05:17

SamBee wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 03:06
It always seemed strange to me that O Canada and Advance Australia Fair etc were not in there. Especially the former given that there is a kind of mini-Utah in Alberta.
That's an easy one to explain... It's because the United States of America was specifically declared by God in the Book of Mormon to be the greatest country on earth. I'm not sure where it says this, but I've heart it in church countless times, so it mustbe true! :P

We did give Canada "God Save the King/Queen", but I assume it was mostly to mock them. In all seriousness, though, I hate it when members and Church leaders mingle their personal ideologies (patriotism, romanticism, capitalism, etc) with scripture.
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by SamBee » 19 Jun 2018, 07:56

dande48 wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 05:17
SamBee wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 03:06
It always seemed strange to me that O Canada and Advance Australia Fair etc were not in there. Especially the former given that there is a kind of mini-Utah in Alberta.
That's an easy one to explain... It's because the United States of America was specifically declared by God in the Book of Mormon to be the greatest country on earth. I'm not sure where it says this, but I've heart it in church countless times, so it mustbe true! :P

We did give Canada "God Save the King/Queen", but I assume it was mostly to mock them. In all seriousness, though, I hate it when members and Church leaders mingle their personal ideologies (patriotism, romanticism, capitalism, etc) with scripture.
I've always had a soft spot for America the Beautiful. I think it is more appropriate than the SSB, and I even find it moving as a non-American. It is a kind of hymn too.

SSB - and sorry to hurt American pride here - is an old European drinking song, which most people find impossible to sing and just strikes me as a really odd choice, given all the other contenders.
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by Roadrunner » 19 Jun 2018, 07:56

This is an exciting announcement. I actually don't mind national anthems in the hymnbook as long as it's expected that any country will sing their national anthem. In Guatemala on my mission we sang their national anthem at least twice a year in Sacrament Meeting. It's kind of different and very old fashioned Spanish that almost nobody understood but it was special to them. Likewise I love The Star Spangled Banner when the organist knows how to play it well. I now live 2 miles from an air force base in the US and if we didn't sing it the Star Spangled Banner the Sunday before July 4 there might literally be a revolt.

My suggestion is to add:
1) Amazing Grace
2) Come Thou Fount of All Our Blessings

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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by SamBee » 19 Jun 2018, 09:00

My main gripe with that is that my country's anthem isn't in there! We would never sing SSB in this ward. We have Americans but not enough.

On the other hand, I'm sure it would be easy enough to get the words for it (though not sing it)
Roadrunner wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 07:56
My suggestion is to add:
1) Amazing Grace
2) Come Thou Fount of All Our Blessings
Good choices!

There are a lot of hymns we never sing. Without hearing them all regularly it is hard to judge them.

We had a beautiful LDS tune played in our ward once, but I can't remember the name of it... and it's not in the hymn book.
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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by NightSG » 19 Jun 2018, 09:35

Roadrunner wrote:
19 Jun 2018, 07:56
Likewise I love The Star Spangled Banner when the organist knows how to play it well.
So, in other words, never in an LDS service?

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Re: New hymnal is in the works! Some major, wonderful changes.

Post by Roy » 19 Jun 2018, 11:07

I had always thought Amazing Grace was not included because it was not thought to be doctrinally correct.
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