How do you measure success in "ministering"

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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SamBee » 23 May 2018, 12:39

I see its roots in the colonization of Deseret... in a much more non-threatening way. Many of the members became farmers in remote areas, and having home teachers promoted community between these remote outposts so they got to know each other and also meant that help could be requested if needed.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SilentDawning » 24 May 2018, 01:58

Roy wrote:
23 May 2018, 08:43
SilentDawning wrote:
23 May 2018, 07:16
When did home teaching first start anyway?
From what I have read it started in the Mormon Reformation period of 1856-7. "Reformation" here means that the saints were asked to reform their own lives to better follow the gospel. In my mind, The LDS church during those few years went through a sort of theocratic police state crackdown (in rhetoric and feel if not in actual practice). Two home or ward missionaries were assigned to each ward. I perceive these gentleman as a sort of deputized representatives of church leadership. They were to be the eyes and ears, to gauge gospel commitment in each home (by conducting fairly probing worthiness interviews), to encourage repentance/recommitment to even greater obedience, to invite rebaptism as a symbol of that recommitment (under possible threat of excommunication), and report back. Not surprisingly almost nobody refused rebaptism.

Here is a (IMO Pollyanna) description from LDSLiving: http://www.ldsliving.com/Could-You-Pass ... ew/s/80185
In the early years of the Church in the Salt Lake Valley, a "home missionary" program was started to help motivate the Saints, who were becoming increasingly apathetic in their faith. After attempts to persuade and plead with the members failed, Church leaders called "teachers" to visit homes to help stir members to repentance.
from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Reformation
leaders at church headquarters then established a policy of assigning two "home" or ward missionaries in each congregational unit. They were asked to visit each family in the ward, assess their material needs and provide help where possible. They were also asked to inquire into family members' spiritual commitment, including asking searching questions about religious practices. After some months of these missionary visits, Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City and surrounding communities who had not yet been rebaptized were asked to do so as an expression of their ongoing commitment to the church. Paul H. Peterson asserts that those who refused to be rebaptized might "lose their membership in the Church
This same Mormon Reformation period gave us the MMM and also BY's musings on blood atonement. IMO it was a very scary time to be in the Utah territory as a less than straight arrow Mormon.
Great research!!! Sounds like the "watchman in Israel" but from a surveillance perspective!!!
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by Willhewonder » 29 Jul 2018, 18:35

Thanks to Roy for posting on the beginnings of home teaching, or ministering as it is now called. Helps me put things in perspective. I have great difficulty with pushing things on people. And with visiting people because of assignment. I remember the sinking feeling in my heart when I heard that Ward teaching was going to be renamed Home teaching. I did not like going ward teaching with my stepdad - no reflection on him, he did a nice job - and had hoped that the practice would wither away. The new name told me it was not to be. However, with this new change, I think I see the way to just opt out. Oh I may respond to personal requests, and visit out of pure respect and concern for someone, but if so, it will be with the agreement and accompaniment of DW. The idea of lining up a partner and then making an appointment with unwilling strangers and then coordinating with the partner is just not in the cards for me anymore.

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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SilentDawning » 30 Jul 2018, 06:11

They are making the ministering the focus of EVERY fifth Sunday this year in our Ward. Talk about a bad movie preview. It's a reason to skip it.

And they want us to report on the families as well. Which, sounds like home teaching again.

I maintain again, that the effort is better placed in making the Sunday experience and programs good rather than chasing after people who don't want to be chased, and where results are minimal at best.

Ho hum.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by Curt Sunshine » 30 Jul 2018, 07:04

Fwiw, we are having excellent discussions and planning actual, needed service in our meetings.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by DarkJedi » 30 Jul 2018, 07:37

We didn't do ministering in our fifth Sunday, but it is the topic for this half of the year for fourth Sunday. Like Curt, our ward has begun to make some progress in real meaningful service.

I really came here to link this article which I really like and which I think asnwers the original question. It's on the landing page at LDS.org right now. I love the graphic, and I think President Bigham does a great job at concisely and clearly stating what ministering as opposed to HT/VT is about. Interesting side note (to me anyway) is that the article is dated Dec. 2018 - a little Christmas in July?

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2018/12/wher ... A_xLIDyL2_
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by Minyan Man » 30 Jul 2018, 10:30

Recently my wife & I visited members from our ward who moved into a different nursing home in the next ward. My wife was her VT & I
was the HT. We aren't going to stop visiting them because they are outside of the ward boundary. Do we really care that our visit is measured
or not? In this case no. It still fulfills the spirit of "ministering" and we like to see them. If I were a Bishop or a SP the answer may be different.

I have never aspired to either position.
IMO: this is similar to a legal principle: the letter of the law verses the spirit of the law.

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