How do you measure success in "ministering"

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How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SilentDawning » 16 May 2018, 23:14

Without that gold standard of a visit in the home as the measure of successful home teaching, I'm lost. Glad that metric is gone, as I spoke openly about it to various High Councilors, but now what? That you made an effort?

For example, I sent letters to all my families asking them how much contact they wanted. I went to one house and no one was home and decided that was lame, so I sent letters requesting address service to three of them. One came back with an "unable to forward" sticker so no one is there.

The other two I guess they don't care.

How would you measure success?
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by nibbler » 17 May 2018, 04:49

Fortune cookie answer:

You will know it is a success when you no longer feel the need to measure its success.

Sorry, best I could do.

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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by AmyJ » 17 May 2018, 05:48

I like Nibbler's answer :D

I think it becomes a flow chart actually (I would draw it if I could in this program)...

Were you able to make contact with the person/people that you minister to?
Yes --> Were their lives improved because of you?
Yes = Success, Follow-Up Question = Is there opportunity/need/resources available for further ministering? Yes/No will dictate what to do next.
No = figure out what went wrong, regroup, and reconnect.

No --> Is there another way available to make contact (facebook, email, postcard, phone call)? Yes/No
Yes = further efforts (if personal resources are available - if not, revised timeline and NO GUILT)
No = try again in a few months and/or report status (such as moved) to leadership.

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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by dande48 » 17 May 2018, 06:31

If you use "ministering" as a noun or an adjective, you've failed before you've begun.

I do like Nibs answer. To build on that, if you're worrying about "success" or "failure" in ministering, you're back to checking boxes and missed the point. Just... minister. Love your families.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by Curt Sunshine » 17 May 2018, 07:25

Making healthy connections and helping people in whatever healthy way possible.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by DarkJedi » 17 May 2018, 15:08

I've been waiting for this question to come up in a stake council or high council meeting. it did on Tuesday night (high council). One very stalwart old guard asked the very similar question of how we will know if ministering is being done if we're not measuring anything? There were some good answers, but I liked the SP's best - "We have to think outside the checkbox."
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by DarkJedi » 17 May 2018, 18:25

nibbler wrote:
17 May 2018, 04:49
Fortune cookie answer:

You will know it is a success when you no longer feel the need to measure its success.

Sorry, best I could do.

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23 7 15 32 12

:angel:
I agree except the winning numbers are 4 8 15 16 23 42. :shh:
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SilentDawning » 18 May 2018, 03:57

I have been thinking about this a lot.

I think there has been successful ministering when the person expresses a need you can reasonably meet, and you meet that need.

This has a number of implications:

1. When you meet someone at the highest level of contact they want, at their desired level of frequency (if reasonable) then you are on your way to being successful. Just make sure you're being genuine and trying to help the person with any needs they have.

2. Families who ignore you, or don't want to be contacted can be left alone. In ignoring you, they haven't expressed any needs you can reasonably meet -- other than to be left along - so you have done your best. At some minimal level, the person has to want you in their life to some degree. If they don't want you, and you keep persisting, then that is ineffective ministering. " Even Jesus left communities who wouldn't accept him, and worked with the ones who wanted him there.

So if a person wants phone contact just to stay in touch, and you do that -- success. If they want you to leave them alone, and you do that, then that is success. Meet people at the level of contact they want, meeting any needs you can reasonably help with that they express.

3. Letting your families know you are available to help them is a minimal form of need-meeting. If they don't want to have you over or talk to you, at least they know you are there to assist them if their desires change. At a minimum, they should know you are available so they can express needs when they have them.

4. If they express a need you can't meet reasonably, and neither can the church (like providing 5 hours of medical care a week from now to perpetuity), you are not censured for not ministering. You could, however, try to get them access to other longer term resources.

5. Gone are the days when I'm going to hound people like we used to. Am also going to use mail first to see if they are at their current address before I try to go there. Hold myself out there for them to connect, and if they choose not to, well, there are other areas in my life where I can make a strong contribution.

The analogy of pushing against the rock even though it won't move doesn't hold anymore. If the rock won't move, then find another rock that will. There are lots of them.
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by nibbler » 18 May 2018, 06:24

That sounds like a good list. :thumbup:
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Re: How do you measure success in "ministering"

Post by SamBee » 18 May 2018, 13:11

I don't think it's quantifiable but such things rarely are.
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