Is it horrible to drink coffee

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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by DarkJedi » 01 Feb 2018, 06:27

SamBee wrote:
31 Jan 2018, 11:54
The insomnia, headaches, heart arrhythmia, anxiety and gut problems it caused me were certainly horrible, and I don't miss them.

People drink coffee to perk them up, but like most uppers it slams you right down later on.

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_pro ... ade_coffee

Coffee has one of the most unfair trade relations and poisons the soil it grows on.
Yes, Sam, but neither of these things make Rebel a horrible person. I don't like coffee (but I love the smell of it) and my DD suffers some of the symptoms you mention when she drinks coffee. I have been known to drink ice tea (by definition not "hot"). I personally don't believe the WoW to be a commandment (one of the first things it says) and I personally don't think it should be a TR question. None of that makes me a horrible person. I think a major point that many members miss is how many things, commandment or not, really boil down to personal choice and individual comfort level with that choice. I'm comfortable drinking the occasional ice tea and if I liked coffee, the occasional cup. I'm also comfortable not tithing on gross and counting other worthy causes as part of tithing. Other are not comfortable drinking a Coke (I prefer Pepsi) and believe tithing is only correct if it's on gross. Because none of us are perfect, nor by the way do I believe any of us are "more perfect" than anyone else, none of us are horrible and all of us are to some extent hypocrites. (Yes, I do hold a TR.)
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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by dande48 » 01 Feb 2018, 07:44

I just saw a string of articles this morning, on how legislation is in process to list coffee as a Carcinogen in California. Of course, just about everything is...
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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by Beefster » 01 Feb 2018, 08:40

You could smoke 2 packs a day, drink 10 cups of coffee a day, have a beer sip-hat, have wine with every meal, light up a joint on the weekends, and drink tea with all your English friends, and none of that would make you a bad person. It's true there are good health reasons to avoid these things, and that's what the WoW is for. The church should have never made avoiding any of those things a requirement for a TR because it conflates good advice with what it means to be a good person.

So no. It's not horrible to drink coffee.
dande48 wrote:
01 Feb 2018, 07:44
I just saw a string of articles this morning, on how legislation is in process to list coffee as a Carcinogen in California. Of course, just about everything is...
They might as well list oxygen as a carcinogen... Oh wait, it actually is. Our bodies are just awesome and fight off most of the random cancer cells that form in our bodies on a daily basis. Most of the time, there aren't enough of them at any given time for there to be a problem. Cancer as a disease is the state when the immune system can no longer keep up with the division of cancer cells. (Or at least that's how I understand it. I'm no expert)
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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by Roy » 01 Feb 2018, 15:38

Beefster wrote:
01 Feb 2018, 08:40
light up a joint on the weekends,
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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by Heber13 » 01 Feb 2018, 18:52

I like wayfarer's line of thinking in this thread:

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Re: Is it horrible to drink coffee

Post by SamBee » 02 Feb 2018, 04:54

The growing industries which seriously exploit the Third World include coffee, tea, tobacco, heroin and cocaine. All of these pay the farmers poorly but make a massive mark up for the multinationals who sell them to end users.

If you're going to buy the stuff, buy fair trade and don't touch Nescafé as they are one of the worst of the bunch.

We could say the same about toys, clothing etc made in the Third World. If we knowingly buy goods which involve underpaid labor, we do become complicit.
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