nibbler wrote: ↑
07 Nov 2017, 06:30
2) This feels more like a motivational speech to get people to do temple work than a pronouncement of actual doctrine. The only real carrot is you get to be with your family, which means the stick is that you don't get to be with your family. JRH comes out strong because that's pretty much all he's got to motivate people to do temple work.
Totally agree. I know that he puts a lot of time into saying things in his speeches that will motivate and touch people. He said so when he visited our Stake some time ago. And sometimes, out comes these extreme statements. Also, the idea of this whole plan being utterly wasted is just too much hyperbole to be true.
3) "...as a sealed, united, celestially saved family of God is the ultimate purpose of mortality..."
Why? Why is the ultimate purpose of mortality to ensure I'll have the exact same familial bonds in heaven?
Same question on my part. It's to be happy -- right? On my past path I would've been a grumpy old God that's for sure, miserable making people set up chairs and move people when they aren't physically or mentally cut out for it.
4) Let's imagine we're in heaven. I'm standing beside my earthly father and I recognize him as such... but god says he isn't my dad anymore. What does that achieve? I'm going to go on with the relationships that I want to maintain, what's god going to do about it? Throw a temper tantrum until I say, "Okay, okay, he's not my dad anymore. Calm down."
I think that is what I was trying to say earlier. He could, being all powerful, sequester us so we can't see each other, the same way people doing time are sequestered from the rest of society. But a drag that goes on too long is a real drag. Imagine having to keep your subjects in such permanent servitude/isolation for eternity. Given how social we are, wouldn't we just form new bonds and relationships? Whether "official" or not?
I view the eternal family concept as a way of heightening commitment within families to avoid marriage breakups, single parenthood, the economic problems associated with single parenthood, and to strengthen the advancement of the church.
And in my case, it worked (so far).
5) I believe that "sealings" are more of an emotional bond that we form outside of any ordinance, rules, or temples. The ordinances, rules, and temples were given to humans to shore up our faith in our existing emotional bonds. I think humans started to worry whether love was enough to keep us all together in heaven and sealings were invented to sooth our fears. Now we "know" that the bonds are eternal because of our belief in something we call "sealings" but the original pre-sealing bonds are equal in every way. We created the deficiency which created the need for a solution but the answer was always there.
I think plural marriage is evidence of the purpose of the sealings -- it was to fuel population growth to achieve rapid population growth. That can happen better, and easier, with fewer financial drainage on the church's resources if there are families with more than one parent working to raise good LDS children.