A Terrific Article about Pornography

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by GBSmith » 05 Aug 2015, 13:46

Ray DeGraw wrote:
Yet, they imply a married person might be committing a sin.


I have never said or tried to imply that, and I never will. Period.

I just needed to make that crystal clear.
What Ray said. Never said it or implied it.

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Thoreau » 06 Aug 2015, 18:49

Did I miss the biology of sexual relations in this thread?
The act of making love, or whatever you want to call it, releases chemicals that strengthen the bonds between the participants. They are also pleasurable. How can you separate pleasure and bonding from the act?
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Rob4Hope » 07 Aug 2015, 09:43

Thoreau wrote: How can you separate pleasure and bonding from the act?
That was my question exactly!

There are people, including leaders, who have a problem with pleasure for pleasures sake, even between married people. The focus has pushed so far toward bonding that it excludes pleasure as being a legitimate motive in itself.

Laura Brotherson was onto something when she coined the phrase: "Good Girl Syndrome". LOL,...not that I am in the dating scene in SLC, many of the ladies have a phrase they coin for the men who have the same problem...they are called: "Peter Priesthood" (the men that are so focused on reading scriptures, saying prayers, and "religiosity" that holding a girls hand makes them shudder). Would be funny if it wasn't true.

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Rob4Hope » 14 Aug 2015, 08:50

Any chance we can keep this thread going?

The LDS message about LOC, to me at least, comes across like this:


THOU SHALT HAVE NO SEXUAL RELATIONS!!!!!! except with your spouse to whom you are legally and lawfully married (if they don't refuse you and are of the opposite sex)

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by DarkJedi » 14 Aug 2015, 09:17

Rob4Hope wrote:Any chance we can keep this thread going?

The LDS message about LOC, to me at least, comes across like this:


THOU SHALT HAVE NO SEXUAL RELATIONS!!!!!! except with your spouse to whom you are legally and lawfully married (if they don't refuse you and are of the opposite sex)
I don't think it's quite that way at all, although I do believe there are many who interpret it that way.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by nibbler » 14 Aug 2015, 09:47

Many people have shared that experience or have been affected by someone that has shared that experience. Many people have had a very different experience.

I don't mind seeing the thread continue but where do we go from here?

There is a certain element of "marriage roulette," being in the position of not really knowing whether we are sexually compatible with someone else until we cross the point of no return. Sure, some things that leaders have said might even be the equivalent of putting an extra bullet or two into the chamber.

I also hear about how it's ok for LDS couples to take a no–holds–barred, wild wild west approach once they are married. Of course I only hear that sort of thing at the local level. It's not all that surprising, at the local level people can tailor counsel to the person that is receiving it whereas at the global level the message has to broadly apply to all. Of course sometimes if the counsel isn't coming from GAs it only makes it harder for it to ever be given at the local level.

I've heard several lessons where the teacher attempts to clarify how sex isn't inherently bad, that it's something that's meant to be enjoyed after marriage. Of course by the time a person hears this lesson the damage may have already been done.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Curt Sunshine » 14 Aug 2015, 10:49

I think there are no ALL CAPS in the message itself, except outside of marriage, certainly not to the exclusion of marital sexual relationships.
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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Rob4Hope » 14 Aug 2015, 11:18

Ray DeGraw wrote:I think there are no ALL CAPS in the message itself, except outside of marriage, certainly not to the exclusion of marital sexual relationships.

Its all in the emphasis. If you look close (and I don't know who saw this or not),...the rest of it is there....just very tiny.......

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by LookingHard » 14 Aug 2015, 11:24

nibbler wrote:I've heard several lessons where the teacher attempts to clarify how sex isn't inherently bad, that it's something that's meant to be enjoyed after marriage. Of course by the time a person hears this lesson the damage may have already been done.
The damage done and just a few statements in a lesson won't reverse the damage.

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Re: A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Rob4Hope » 14 Aug 2015, 11:31

LookingHard wrote:
nibbler wrote:I've heard several lessons where the teacher attempts to clarify how sex isn't inherently bad, that it's something that's meant to be enjoyed after marriage. Of course by the time a person hears this lesson the damage may have already been done.
The damage done and just a few statements in a lesson won't reverse the damage.

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