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A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by Curt Sunshine » 04 Jun 2015, 20:02

My brother-in law (the one who wrote the article discussed here about monoculture and diversity) wrote an article about pornography that is getting broad discussion. It is called "The Naked People on Your iPod".

It might be the best thing on this topic I have read, ever - certainly from a Mormon author.

https://medium.com/@ungewissen/the-nake ... 70a27fdb59
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Post by Thoreau » 04 Jun 2015, 21:00

Good article. Thank you for sharing it.
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Post by hawkgrrrl » 04 Jun 2015, 21:33

Hmmm. I think that subject is what we call "click bait."

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Post by GBSmith » 04 Jun 2015, 21:47

Good article. I liked the part about our being told that looking at porn dooms us to a life of addiction and loneliness. Back in my day it was smoking a cigarette, drinking, or masturbation. Kids tried them and took note that they didn't die on the spot or develop same gender attraction. Lesson learned.

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Post by SamBee » 05 Jun 2015, 08:39

GBSmith wrote:Good article. I liked the part about our being told that looking at porn dooms us to a life of addiction and loneliness. Back in my day it was smoking a cigarette, drinking, or masturbation. Kids tried them and took note that they didn't die on the spot or develop same gender attraction. Lesson learned.
Not sure I agree about smoking. I know plenty of people who started in high school, and can't quit decades later.

You can add cannabis to that list too.
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Post by SilentDawning » 05 Jun 2015, 11:14

Good article -- lots of clear, logical reasoning here.

I would like to ask a question. Assume you have a heterosexual man or a woman, who in spite of trying very hard to find a suitable marriage partner, finds themselves unmarried and alone -- from their young adulthood, and through their entire lives. They have the same powerful sexual drives as any person, yet have no way of seeing those drives reduced through normal sexual means given their situation, which is no fault of their own.

What alternatives, other than pornography and masturbation, does this person have to satisfy those drives?

[Which, incidentally, I heard many people wish could be erased from their physiology and psychology if it were feasible. This is due to the unprovoked torment these drives cause when there is no "moral" means of expression available to them???]
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Post by GBSmith » 05 Jun 2015, 12:10

SilentDawning wrote:Good article -- lots of clear, logical reasoning here.

I would like to ask a question. Assume you have a heterosexual man or a woman, who in spite of trying very hard to find a suitable marriage partner, finds themselves unmarried and alone -- from their young adulthood, and through their entire lives. They have the same powerful sexual drives as any person, yet have no way of seeing those drives reduced through normal sexual means given their situation, which is no fault of their own.

What alternatives, other than pornography and masturbation, does this person have to satisfy those drives?

[Which, incidentally, I heard many people wish could be erased from their physiology and psychology if it were feasible. This is due to the unprovoked torment these drives cause when there is no "moral" means of expression available to them???]
The key word is "moral". When any experience or expression of sexual pleasure outside of marriage is deemed immoral it means that everything related to sexuality has to be controlled. It leads to Calvin's doctrine of the total depravity of man and the idea that the flesh has to be controlled, contained and mortified. To me the bounds the Lord has set is marriage but for the unmarried denying those needs brings neither thanks nor blessings and satisfying them with masturbation and erotica is not sin, IMHO.

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Post by Curt Sunshine » 05 Jun 2015, 14:47

Intense internal pressure generally leads to explosion, no matter the nature of the pressure.

So, what GB said.
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A Terrific Article about Pornography

Post by startpoor » 05 Jun 2015, 15:51

Well put GB. I don't view sexual practices outside of marriage a sin either. That is, not against the Lord. I view them as a sin against my spouse if she is not accepting of them. And a sin against myself if I am letting it interfere with my health, career or relationships.


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Post by amateurparent » 05 Jun 2015, 22:34

Intense internal pressure generally leads to explosion, no matter the nature of the pressure.

So, what GB said
And what Ray Degraw said too.

A couple months ago, a single LDS friend confided to me that she had gone to the bishop and confessed her sin of mastrubation. Her temple recommend was taken over this. That just seemed so wrong to me. She felt shamed and made to feel less worthy over something that seemed so insignificant. I'm not sure why these topics are even asked about within the framework of religion.
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