LDS_Scoutmaster wrote:And why don't we have Girl Scouts in the church?
Do you want the Sunday School answer, or my blunt 1 word answer: "sexism"
Lol at first, then yeah, I've thought that myself.
hawkgrrrl wrote: Because BSA creates self sufficient men who are conformists. GSA creates lesbians who self-perform abortions. This is nearly the exact answer I got when I asked this question. All my friends were girl scouts.
I hope you didn't hear that from a scoutmaster.
It could be about influence. How much influence does the church wield with the BSA? The church might want to wield similar influence at the top of Girl Scouts, at which point the lack of involvement between the two groups may be desired by both parties.
I remember during the 70s the heyday of GS, there was a lot of backlash from the supposed ties and influence of the women's lib movement. Maybe you're right about that.
After all the entire "venturing" class of scouts was made just for the LDS "Teachers quorum".
IMO that has been detrimental to lds scouting. It makes perfect sense to have scouting divided into quorums which coincide with each other, but it doesn't make for a cohesive group of older boys for the younger boys to look up to. And conversely younger boys for the older to mentor. Objectively there is still interaction between the groups, but it lends to a mentality of scouts as "kids stuff" when you turn 14.
Ray DeGraw wrote:
Some important issues aside, the Young Women program is quite good; generally speaking, the Young Men program, in most places, isn't nearly up to that level.
I agree. my girls earned their awards which was akin to Eagle scout workload.
I firmly believe that scouting is a positive for the vast majority of YM. If the program is done right, the boys learn how to lead. That is actually what the BSA wants to happen.
Scouting does not do much for those that don't like fire, knives, camping, sports. Somewhat a mirror of the church that the majority really like the way it is, but there are some groups that I does not resonate quite as well as others.
Even though I have been (was) in scouting for more than a decade, I do see some parents that equate scout rank advancement to be THE indicator if they are doing their job as a parent. And sometimes the boy is advancing for no other reason than their parents are forcing them. There have been Eagle scouts in my troop that I feel were really not ready for the real world after they graduated.
It took me a long time to realize to tailor scouting to the individual boys. I was so gung ho in the beginning that if they weren't interested in scouts, well that's what we were doing.
I think in general and i hate to generalize, but i would guess that eagle scouts from non lds troops compared to lds troops are more "scouty" and self prepared.