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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Curt Sunshine » 13 Sep 2014, 16:32

Yeah, cwald, the irony is strong. :P
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Cadence » 13 Sep 2014, 18:53

Nut job!!!
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by cwald » 13 Sep 2014, 19:32

Cadence wrote:Nut job!!!
Are you referring to Snuffer? Joseph Smith? Or all the faithful LDS members who criticize Snuffer, yet idolize and give Smith a free pass?
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Roy » 14 Sep 2014, 07:17

cwald wrote:
Cadence wrote:Nut job!!!
Are you referring to Snuffer? Joseph Smith? Or all the faithful LDS members who criticize Snuffer, yet idolize and give Smith a free pass?
or perhaps the movie that my kids keep asking for me to rent from redbox?
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Sheldon » 14 Sep 2014, 09:26

As of this morning, my friend Tim Malone resigned from the LDS church I'm going to miss our conversations at Stake meetings.

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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Curt Sunshine » 14 Sep 2014, 13:11

I will miss Tim. I told him early on what the result would be for him if he continued to follow Denver Snuffer (and where Snuffer was headed and what he would do) - and Tim told me I was wrong on all accounts.

It doesn't help one bit to know I was right and Tim was wrong. Not. One. Bit. I'm just really sad for him and for what I know will happen in the end.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by cwald » 14 Sep 2014, 20:47

Ray DeGraw wrote:I will miss Tim. I told him early on what the result would be for him if he continued to follow Denver Snuffer (and where Snuffer was headed and what he would do) - and Tim told me I was wrong on all accounts.

It doesn't help one bit to know I was right and Tim was wrong. Not. One. Bit. I'm just really sad for him and for what I know will happen in the end.
Ray, did you read Tim's blog post. ... linked by Sheldon? He states that he "never has been, nor will never be, a Snuffer follower."

I'm just curious about your latest post. Obviously you know the feller. Do you dismiss and simply not believe him when he says this about his reasons for leaving? Or do you believe he is be is being disingenuous?

What does it mean to be a "Denver follower?"
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by Curt Sunshine » 14 Sep 2014, 21:02

He is a friend. I neither dismiss him nor believe he is lying. He is a good, sincere man - and I have told him I respect his right to worship according to the dictates of his own conscience. I have told him I hope and pray he continues to feel God's presence in his life. I was confident I knew how this would end, but that doesn't change a single thing about how I feel about a very good man.

I also have not called him a follower of Denver Snuffer in any comment in this thread.

Finally, I have told him certain things that are nobody's business but his and mine. I've shared all I am comfortable sharing about our conversations here. This will be my last comment about it.
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Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by cwald » 14 Sep 2014, 22:16

"I also have not called him a follower of Denver Snuffer in any comment in this thread."

Hmmm? I don't think so. Ray. I think you did say he was following Denver in this thread.
Ray DeGraw wrote:I will miss Tim. I told him early on what the result would be for him if he continued to follow Denver Snuffer.
What am I missing?

I'm just confused what you are saying.
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Re: Denver Snuffer Update

Post by cwald » 14 Sep 2014, 22:19

Ray DeGraw wrote:
I also have not called him a follower of Denver Snuffer in any comment in this thread.
Why did Tim resign from the church?

I'm not asking ray. I'm asking stayLdS.

PS. I'm thinking about resigning. I'm looking for opinions of how mormon family members would interpret that action...why I would resign.
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