A little talk advice, please?

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A little talk advice, please?

Post by DarkJedi » 12 Aug 2014, 18:41

As some of you might realize, I tend to be a little more heavy handed and less diplomatic and tactful than I should be sometimes. It's a blessing. And a curse.

I'm working on a talk for this Sunday and in it I have just finished a section that talks about the core principles of the gospel being love and the testimony of Christ (my favorite subject). I then have this line: "Because human nature desires rules, it is easy for us to get caught up in how far one should walk on the Sabbath and what color shirt one should wear to church and forget what it’s really all about." I intend to leave it at that and switch gears at that point.

OK? Harsh? Not clear enough? Condemning? Could it be put slightly differently to have a better effect? Your input is appreciated.
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 12 Aug 2014, 18:53

I think it's fine - as long as you can steer the lesson so it doesn't turn into a free-for-all.

I might introduce that statement with the scripture that says the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by SilentDawning » 12 Aug 2014, 18:57

I wouldn't target the shirt color because you have die hards who think its the "uniform of the priesthood" and they expect the young men to wear white shirts and ties. But if you said "we get caught up in how people dress rather than what it's really all about", for example, that would be better.
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by DarkJedi » 12 Aug 2014, 19:12

It's a talk, not a lesson, Ray.

Good point, SD, I agree. Dress more generally applies to everyone.
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 12 Aug 2014, 19:54

Yeah, a talk. Wow, I must be tired.

I really like SD's suggestion about keeping it generic - teaching a correct principle as broadly as possible.
I see through my glass, darkly - as I play my saxophone in harmony with the other instruments in God's orchestra. (h/t Elder Joseph Wirthlin)

Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by Roadrunner » 12 Aug 2014, 22:00

I like the line as you had it originally. You might get a few of the young men to like you and sometimes a specific but not hurtful example gets the point across better than a generality.

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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by cwald » 12 Aug 2014, 22:27

You active local leaders and members will need to address the Pharasacial order of things eventually. The white shirt may as well be a start. Why mince words? Just call a spade a spade.

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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by Orson » 12 Aug 2014, 22:46

An Uchtdorf quote comes to mind, something about how we list so many things that eventually we "'should' all over ourselves."
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by cwald » 12 Aug 2014, 22:53

Orson wrote:An Uchtdorf quote comes to mind, something about how we list so many things that eventually we "'should' all over ourselves."
The prophets are silent. ...except Uchtdorf.

And the people will not listen to him.
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Re: A little talk advice, please?

Post by NewLight » 13 Aug 2014, 04:27

I'd keep the original:
DarkJedi wrote:"Because human nature desires rules, it is easy for us to get caught up in how far one should walk on the Sabbath and what color shirt one should wear to church and forget what it’s really all about."
But then, I believe in being assertive and telling it like it is too. You could follow it up by talking about the importance of how Christ would make everyone feel welcome, no matter how they looked and I don't think anyone can deny that.

Let those who teach the young men cover the white shirt thing as part of the lessons in their respective quorums about how to treat the sacrament.

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