Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

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Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Post by wayfarer » 28 Aug 2013, 14:15

Ray Degraw wrote:
So, question. What are the 14 F's people keep talking about?


The 14 Fundamentals - something that should be burned, buried and forgotten. In other words, don't ask. :twisted:
Best not to ask because someone here has a very visceral reaction to the 14F...
cwald wrote:The 14 Fs, represents the worst of the worst when it comes to religion. Unfortunately they are alive and well in the LDS Church since October 2010 GC.

A research here will pull up several threads.
and !voila! :-)

i love you cwald, but i agree with Ray...in one ear and out the other.. or "screw them if they can't take a joke"...

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Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Post by mackay11 » 28 Aug 2013, 23:12

mercyngrace, thanks for the fantastic post. You've epitomised why I love this community so much.

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Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Post by Ruthiechan » 29 Aug 2013, 16:33

Oh. I just found them. Yeah, some of them I take great issue with. And others are great in theory but in practice? Not so great. . .

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Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Post by DarkJedi » 29 Aug 2013, 20:31

Ruthiechan wrote:Oh. I just found them. Yeah, some of them I take great issue with. And others are great in theory but in practice? Not so great. . .
I said this in another post, but I'm not even sure I'm a 1 F kind of guy.
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Re: Mormonism, if understood, is Universalism

Post by Curt Sunshine » 29 Aug 2013, 22:20

I think Elder Benson envied Elder Maxwell and was looking for a way to include some alliteration in his talk. 4 Fundamentals didn't take his entire time allocation, so he added 10 more to get to 14 Fundamentals. Afterward, I think he realized he'd stretched the point beyond recognition, so he never tried something like that again.

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Even if people view many things differently, the core Gospel principles (LOVE; belief in the unseen but hoped; self-reflective change; symbolic cleansing; striving to recognize the will of the divine; never giving up) are universal.

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