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Judah = Utah?

Post by SamBee » 26 Sep 2018, 14:40

Anyone heard this one before?
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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by Roy » 26 Sep 2018, 15:20

I have never heard it. Context please.
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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by dande48 » 26 Sep 2018, 20:18

Judah = Utah?
No.
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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by SamBee » 27 Sep 2018, 04:23

Travis Goodsell "Reading the Signs in the Heavens"
Leo is the lion. The lion symbolizes Judah. Judah is actually pronounced Yudah. Yudah is phonetically equivalent to Utah. This involvement of this constellation may be dualism for the Jews but also for the Utahans. (sic)
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DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by dande48 » 27 Sep 2018, 10:12

With enough dots to connect, you can draw just about any conclusion you'd like. But that doesn't mean it's true.
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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by SamBee » 27 Sep 2018, 12:33

dande48 wrote:
27 Sep 2018, 10:12
With enough dots to connect, you can draw just about any conclusion you'd like. But that doesn't mean it's true.
Certainly phonetically similar, which is why I'm surprised this hasn't come up more often.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 28 Sep 2018, 15:42

It is a stretch, but people like to stretch.

It is what it is.
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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by Roy » 30 Sep 2018, 08:41

I was feeling pretty negative about this "connection."

As a sometimes disillusioned Mormon, I can get pretty Jaded about these things. From Independence Missouri being the New Jerusalem, to Utah being Zion, to the BoM being the Stick of Joseph, to Quetzalcoatl being the resurrected Jesus visiting the Americas, I can get tired of tenuous religious parallels.

OTOH, It can be amazing and wonderful how a new religion can co-opt the anchient promises and make them new again. The Christians did it in the meridian of time and the Mormons did it in the 1800's - they made religion fresh and relevant. The Mormon Pioneers became like the camp of Isreal traveling to the promised land.

That is both delusional and meaningful all at the same time.
"It is not so much the pain and suffering of life which crushes the individual as it is its meaninglessness and hopelessness." C. A. Elwood

“It is not the function of religion to answer all the questions about God’s moral government of the universe, but to give one courage, through faith, to go on in the face of questions he never finds the answer to in his present status.” TPC: Harold B. Lee 223

"I struggle now with establishing my faith that God may always be there, but may not always need to intervene" Heber13

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Re: Judah = Utah?

Post by Gerald » 30 Sep 2018, 08:50

Leo is the lion. The lion symbolizes Judah. Judah is actually pronounced Yudah. Yudah is phonetically equivalent to Utah. This involvement of this constellation may be dualism for the Jews but also for the Utahans. (sic)
Seems a bit of stretch for me. Though I can see why the connection was made.
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