Sealing vs Free Agency

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SamBee
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Re: Sealing vs Free Agency

Post by SamBee » 06 Apr 2017, 11:36

Worthiness is a bit of a weasel word. I wouldn't define it quite how the LDS do - I put the contents of the heart ahead of external actions.
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Re: Sealing vs Free Agency

Post by dande48 » 06 Apr 2017, 12:58

Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:5-6
Higher Kingdoms Minister to Lower. Yet, through his abundant mercy, the Lord will do for all the best that can be done, and therefore he will give to all a place somewhere-if not within the gates of the Holy City, then it must be on the outside-where those who are not entitled to the fulness of blessings may be ministered to by those who have greater glory. For we read also here in this vision, where the glories are spoken of, that those who dwell in the celestial kingdom shall minister unto those of the terrestrial kingdom; those in the terrestrial kingdom shall minister to those of the telestial kingdom.

So I am pretty sure all of us can kingdom hop down to the lower, but not visit the higher. Except Jesus. He doesn't associate with anyone below Terrestrial. And Heavenly Father won't leave the Celestial Kingdom altogether.

I also heard that, as strong as the sealing power is, you don't have to be with anyone you don't want to be. And I can't imagine a heaven, where you cannot be with those you love. I remember a quote from C.S. Lewis book "The Great Divorce". I don't remember the exact wording, but in essence it stated, "Heaven is not at the mercy of the whims of hell." Or in other words, the joy of heaven is great enough to swallow up the sadness caused by those who are not there.

Within the LDS church, the whole "sealing" principle has lead to some VERY sticky situations. I don't know how it's all going to work out in the end, but as there is a Loving God in Heaven, I am sure He'll make it all right.

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Re: Sealing vs Free Agency

Post by Heber13 » 06 Apr 2017, 14:32

dande48 wrote:
06 Apr 2017, 12:58
I also heard that, as strong as the sealing power is, you don't have to be with anyone you don't want to be.
What if I want to be with someone but she doesn't want to be with me? Who gets their heaven and who gets their hell?
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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Re: Sealing vs Free Agency

Post by dande48 » 06 Apr 2017, 19:34

Heber13 wrote:
06 Apr 2017, 14:32
What if I want to be with someone but she doesn't want to be with me? Who gets their heaven and who gets their hell?
If in heaven, I think there are only two possibilies: Either, she will want to be with you, or you will find happiness without her.
If in hell, I think you're out of luck.
Heaven is not dependent on the agency of those in hell.

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Re: Sealing vs Free Agency

Post by Heber13 » 07 Apr 2017, 09:10

I hope they have "StayCelestialKingdom.com/forum" support group for me when up there. I want to forever be sealed to all you good peoples!! :angel:
Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father... was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
Luke: "A certain point of view?"
Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to...depend greatly on our point of view."

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