What to do with the Lamanites?

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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by SamBee » 30 Apr 2017, 14:44

There has been a lot of controversy recently about Middle Eastern DNA having been found amongst Cherokee. Look it up. Some of the sites discussing it are fringe, but there has been a lot of backpeddling and headscratching over it.

This doesn't tie in with Lamanites but it is curious.
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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by Orson » 01 May 2017, 09:03

The way I see it the church has two "minds" on the subject:

1) In Sunday school class when referencing the mission to the Lamanites we understand what they meant by Lamanites, and go with the flow - effectively stepping back in time to adopt their understanding.

2) The modern research and direction you refer to.
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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by Heber13 » 01 May 2017, 09:33

Orson, I think as #2 become more solid and established and accepted, the talks in #1 get retrofitted to make it work with well established theories. Don't you think?
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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by Curt Sunshine » 01 May 2017, 12:03

Fwiw, the Book of Mormon itself actually is pretty clear, when you look at the demographic statements analytically, that the Lamanites must have inter-married with indigenous people quite early on (certainly before the Nephites joined the Mulekites and probably significantly before that). The population statements don't make any sense otherwise - and they make perfect sense if that was the case. It also would explain the racial descriptions perfectly.

Who were those indigenous people?

Given the structure of the Jaredite kingship narrative in Ether (focused SOLELY on the kingship families and their capital city/area) that covers thousands of years, the indigenous people would be descendants of Jared's group and other people the Lord led to the promised land.

Where did the Jaredites originate?

Most likely the steppes of Northern Asia, since that society fits well the description of the people of Jared - both before and after their trip to the promised land.

What is the ancestry of the "Laminates" who survived - and continued to intermingle?

Most likely, the dominant ancestry would be Asian - which is exactly what the modern research says.

When you actually analyze the Book of Mormon as a historical record, looking at only the actual words in it and throwing out the assumptions of the author and those who accepted his assumptions, it is interesting how much better the history fits what we now know.

As I have said in other places and threads, I don't know quite how to take the Book of Mormon, since I see it as much more complicated than most people realize. Jewish midrash seems like the best example - and it is a fascinating topic.
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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by Orson » 01 May 2017, 14:04

Heber13 wrote:
01 May 2017, 09:33
Orson, I think as #2 become more solid and established and accepted, the talks in #1 get retrofitted to make it work with well established theories. Don't you think?
Not necessarily, maybe this is associated with my willingness to throw literalness out the window.
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Re: What to do with the Lamanites?

Post by LDS_Scoutmaster » 05 Jun 2017, 15:23

SamBee wrote:
30 Apr 2017, 14:44
There has been a lot of controversy recently about Middle Eastern DNA having been found amongst Cherokee. Look it up. Some of the sites discussing it are fringe, but there has been a lot of backpeddling and headscratching over it.

This doesn't tie in with Lamanites but it is curious.
Ah I just posted on this, sorry to have another thread going on a similar subject.

I have felt like many of the maps that people have tried to make, to place bom cities and lands into real world or modern day geography are a bit of a stretch. But I've also felt that the bom people could easily be a very small group relatively, hardly related to the American Indians as we know them today.
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