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Semi-active

Post by SamBee » 26 Mar 2017, 15:11

Seems a bit of an oxymoron, "semi-active", but what precisely is the official definition?
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Re: Semi-active

Post by DarkJedi » 26 Mar 2017, 16:16

I don't know that there is a precise definition. At BYU students are considered active if they attend once per month.

Of course I also think there is a distinction between being active in church and being active in the gospel (AKA "living the gospel"). I think one can not be attending church but still keep gospel principles like loving one another.
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Re: Semi-active

Post by SamBee » 26 Mar 2017, 16:33

Well:

* Active is in.
* Ex is out.
* Inactive is either out or waiting to be reactivated...

Semi-active and less active?
DarkJedi wrote:
26 Mar 2017, 16:16
Of course I also think there is a distinction between being active in church and being active in the gospel (AKA "living the gospel"). I think one can not be attending church but still keep gospel principles like loving one another.
Oh I totally agree, but I wonder what the correlated official def is.
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Semi-active

Post by LookingHard » 26 Mar 2017, 18:19

I recall hearing the "attends Sacrament meeting at least once a month" as the slc definition of minimum attendance for statistically active.

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Re: Semi-active

Post by Ray DeGraw » 27 Mar 2017, 07:22

Across Christian demoninations, attending a main worship service at least once a month is the default definition of being actively involved. The LDS Church simply goes along with that definition.

I think that is a good standard. Many people have issues that keep them from attending every week (or, for example, in the case of Catholicism, attending daily Mass), but regular, monthly attendance still shows intentional involvement. Of course, there are members who don't attend once a month who still are believers, but that is different than being active attenders.

Also, fwiw, I don't like the term less-active - especially when it is applied to people who obviously are inactive. I think it is a way to subtly deny inactivity. I like precision in language, and inactivity is different than being active to a lesser degree.
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Re: Semi-active

Post by Heber13 » 29 Mar 2017, 13:13

I do think it is describing people who attend church less than once a month, and those that aren't really engaged to hold any callings to accept assignments.

I think our ward has a lot of people like this.

There is always a "not-so-good" feeling about using any label on people that have some various life situations and beliefs. But...it is one way to focus on those that are coming to church to participate and those that may not hate the church and want out...but are just unable to go all the time for various reasons.
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Re: Semi-active

Post by nibbler » 30 Mar 2017, 05:10

Thread jack.

You remember those slides that enumerated "issues and ideas leading people away from the gospel?" One of the things that was mentioned was:

Language and cultural problems "-ites"

At church it's extremely common to hear labels like inactive, semi-active, worthy, in good standing, and investigator being applied to people. "-ites"

Semi-activite.
Inactivite.
Worthyite.
Good standingite.
Full titherite
Investigatorite.

It may be useful to categorize for reporting purposes but these -ites labels have worked themselves into our everyday conversation. I wonder whether that is leading people away from the gospel.
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Re: Semi-active

Post by SamBee » 30 Mar 2017, 06:18

Never mind those Nibbler, it's the Samsonites that worry me. What have they to hide?
DASH1730 "An Area Authority...[was] asked...who...would go to the Telestial kingdom. His answer: "murderers, adulterers and a lot of surprised Mormons!"'
1ST PRES 1978 "[LDS] believe...there is truth in many religions and philosophies...good and great religious leaders... have raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical awareness of their people. When we speak of The [LDS] as the only true church...it is...authorized to administer the ordinances...by Jesus Christ... we do not mean... it is the only teacher of truth."

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Re: Semi-active

Post by nibbler » 30 Mar 2017, 06:44

SamBee wrote:
30 Mar 2017, 06:18
Never mind those Nibbler, it's the Samsonites that worry me. What have they to hide?
A bunch of IOUs.

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Re: Semi-active

Post by LookingHard » 30 Mar 2017, 07:19

And what about those vegetarians? You know - the "vegemites". (Apology to any Aussies I may have just offended)

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