Flashback to Proposition 8

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Sheldon wrote:Attending church each Sunday (yes, I’m active!), I hear that we have a Prophet that can “guide us in these Latter Days” I hear that he does this because he can see in the future (Google the word seer). So every time I then see a quote like “I don't think he saw what was heading down the pike” I gets me going. I know our prophet cannot see in the future, and I think he would be the first to tell you that. But how do we get all the other leaders to stop perpetuating that ideal?
Yes, I think the title of "President" or "CEO" or even "first Elder" could be more accurrate without all the other baggage that might be associated with the term of prophet, seer, and revelator.
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Roy wrote:Yes, I think the title of "President" or "CEO" or even "first Elder" could be more accurrate without all the other baggage that might be associated with the term of prophet, seer, and revelator.
I agree. I wish the church would just refer to the head of the church as the president of the church, rather than the prophet. I would find it much easier to listen to the advice of a president, than listening to a prophet who might be speaking for God, or just offering his opinion, or whatever else. But, then we wouldn't be able to say that God is still speaking to us through his prophets, I guess. :roll:
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Holy Cow wrote:
Roy wrote:Yes, I think the title of "President" or "CEO" or even "first Elder" could be more accurrate without all the other baggage that might be associated with the term of prophet, seer, and revelator.
I agree. I wish the church would just refer to the head of the church as the president of the church, rather than the prophet. I would find it much easier to listen to the advice of a president, than listening to a prophet who might be speaking for God, or just offering his opinion, or whatever else. But, then we wouldn't be able to say that God is still speaking to us through his prophets, I guess. :roll:
I agree! But then we would have to change the words of the primary song to "follow the president, follow the president, follow the president, he knows the way"!

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I think I’ve finally figured out what bothers me most. If the prophet says “X”, them almost all active members (present company excepted) will say that “X” is the Lord’s will, because the Prophet speaks for the Lord. This concept that the prophet speaks for the Lord is perpetuated by our leaders, both local and GAs. So when the Prophet said to back the Prop 8 campaign, for the general membership, this was marching orders from the Lord himself. When the Prophet says only two earrings for women, that is what the Lord wants, not the cultural learning of a man born 80 something years ago.
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I think it is very common for individuals to make decisions or implement policy that at the time seems sound and correct. It is only with hindsight that we see more clearly.
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Cadence wrote:I think it is very common for individuals to make decisions or implement policy that at the time seems sound and correct. It is only with hindsight that we see more clearly.
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Agreeing with Hawk, too many people just don't want to think for themselves or develop their own ideas. Too much work? Not enough self confidence?

FS, I have long thought that song should be changed to "follow the spirit" or even the idea of following the prophet's example in following the spirit in our lives.
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Orson wrote:FS, I have long thought that song should be changed to "follow the spirit."
I might like it better, even though I have trouble understanding the Spirit.
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Follow the spirit - I like it! It'll never happen though.

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