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Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 06 Aug 2014, 14:39
by DarkJedi
Love it cwald. Worth putting on useful quote of the day.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 06 Aug 2014, 16:25
by Curt Sunshine
Fabulous quote, cwald. Thanks for sharing it.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 06 Aug 2014, 17:37
by SilentDawning
No one really knows when or if it will happen. Gerald Lund, in his book "The Coming of the Lord" describes a
GA back in the late 1800's or early 1900's who said that the second coming was at hand, and that some of the people in the room would live to see it.

Foolish, really, to predict it. I also find it hard to believe that non-believers will be held accountable for not believing in the second coming either. Short of a first-hand vision, I think it's very very hard to know if the Savior lives, if all that we hear in Mormonism is true. Emotions and spiritual feelings can come and go, and its not always clear what they mean.

I think it's an attractive notion because revelations talks about the final wars, because speakers think it motivates people to try harder, etcetera.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 07 Aug 2014, 04:12
by nibbler
cwald wrote:“Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching.”

~An Assyrian clay tablet dating to 2800 B.C.
Haha. Love it. As I was reading it I thought to myself: well you could have said that a thousand years ago... then I got to the "punchline."

Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 07 Aug 2014, 05:45
by Forgotten_Charity
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Ya, fear for obedience. But hey the house alarm industry sells alarm with the same tactics. Generally used to try to bring a desired behavior by an authority figure marketing through sales behavior.
Mainstream news media to shape behavior to generate ratings for y2K etc.

Younger generation apathy for the 2nd coming? That's because they grew up and connected commercials like this..."the more you know ...do...do....do" Imagewith the boy that cried wolf. Asking just how many times can wolf be cried before ....? Learning about many past generations crying wolf, generating fear. But they don't get angry over it generally. Just shake their head and move on. Quite a mature response considering the fear and anxiety or hate of previous generations over this.

Here is a vet short list of some of the latest attempts for fun.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 07 Aug 2014, 05:48
by Forgotten_Charity
Ray DeGraw wrote:
Sometimes I wish the signs of the second coming were flowers in people's hair, a decrease in violent crime, an increase in charity, etc. so people would comb the news looking for positive things to validate their faith.


:thumbup:
Image I like this a lot. I have always thought that hey, if we're going to use confirmation bias to look for things generally we should look for positive things with it at least.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 12 Aug 2014, 20:29
by Cadence
My beef with the second coming rhetoric is it gives people an excuse to do nothing. No point in addressing the big problems because Jesus is coming to fix everything. Problem is he is not coming. It is best we acknowledge that move on and start fixing things for ourselves.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 12:45
by Sheldon
Ray DeGraw wrote:NOT to turn this into a scientific debate of any kind[/b] (seriously, I do NOT want comments about right or wrong to ensue about this), but just look at the global warming / climate change rhetoric: It is every bit as apocalyptic as Second Coming warnings, and those who frame it the most extremely generally aren't doing so from a religious foundation.
The reason Global Warming has not been jumped on by the “2nd Coming is soon” crowd at church is because it is a left wing idea (fact), not espoused by the conservative leanings of most church members. If you flip the equation, the church would be all over Global Warming as a Sign of the Times.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 05:51
by Gerald
As a teenager in the 80's, I remember "signs of the times" being discussed in church and seminary quite frequently. This, of course, was during the Cold War period and there was no doubt in my young mind that the final conflict would be between the U.S. (bastion of righteousness) and the Soviet Union (bastion of wickedness). And it terrified me. Now, of course, the Soviet Union has been gone for more than twenty years. I think it has become harder to see those "signs" without some big readily identifiable source of "evil." That role seems to shift around depending on how the political winds blow (China? North Korea? Iraq? Afghanistan? Russia?). I don't know what will happen or when but, as a Church, we certainly are not as "eschatological" or "apocalyptical" as we used to be. And that's probably for the best.

Re: Signs of the Times- 2nd Coming

Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 13:44
by Ilovechrist77
When I was in my more traditional believing days I remembered studying up on Armageddon in the old testament student manual from the church. It mentioned that Armageddon would began after two witnesses, General Authorities, were killed and resurrected in Jerusalem. Basically it would involve the nation of Israel and others in Israel in basically some sort of world war. I still have faith that this could happen, but after having a faith reconstruction I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't ever happen. Now how could Armageddon be more understood in a truly symbolic way.