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Re: Green tea

Post by SamBee » 03 May 2010, 03:12

FWIW, black tea doesn't just contain caffeine, it's also got tannin in it, which is a problem. I think green tea lacks this.
After SS, my 15 year old daughter came up to me and "confessed" that she had tried some herbal and Green tea with one of her friends, and she was concerned that she "didn't feel guilty" about it - even though she had attended the youth temple trip. We had a good talk...
Herbal tea isn't even an issue, because it's only a tea in the sense it's brewed.

If anyone's looking for a tea substitute which is drinkable, I recommend rooisbos (redbush) which is a plant from South Africa. It takes about twice as long to brew as black tea does, and makes a reasonable drink. (I've never found a decent coffee substitute yet, but that's another story) It has no caffeine, and is not
Africa also has its own tea plant, called Rooisbos (or Red diamond or Red bush). This is produced mainly in South Africa and is not exactly tea, but infused like tea. The species of this plant is different from the common tea plant, Camellia Sinensis and the scientific name of Rooisbos is Aspalathus linearis which belongs to legume family of plants.

It is harvested in the summer whereas real tea leaves are harvested in the spring. Rooisbos can be prepared in the same manner as the usual black tea. However, the brew has a reddish brown color, explaining why it is also referred as red tea. It is free of caffeine and more like herbal tea with nutritional and health benefits. Nevertheless, it is marketed like tea.
http://www.www.helium.com/items/1539595 ... -of-africa (According to this website, ?black tea is the most drunk drink in the world after water.)

I've yet to read horror stories about red bush tea, but I know that there can be problems with certain other teas, e.g. tea made with raspberry leaves contains poisons, and chamomile, which is nice in small quantities but bad for you in large quantities. There's a strange drink that they have in South America called mate, which I think has much more caffeine than tea does, and is probably worse for you.

Then there's tea tree, which isn't a form of tea either!
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Re: Green tea

Post by PressingForward » 03 May 2010, 07:24

I'm quite the ignorant one on this topic (as of many topics to be honest :roll: ) but I think for the first time ever I pulled out good old section 89 and actually READ it... I had NO IDEA that caffeine isn't mentioned in it! lol.... boy do I feel duped. And who washes their bodies with Jack Daniels? (I might just have to start a new bathing routine :P )

Anyway.. I couldn't help but wonder where we got all of the breakdowns we have today? The forbidden'ness' of liquor, is mentioned many times throughout different scriptures, in my interpretation, and I understand that. I am thankful for the Wisdom that this Word imparts... but I'm not too sure if this is something that should deem you 'worthy' or 'unworthy'.

The whole 'hot drinks' thing... *shrugs* I love a good cup of coffee. In Puerto Rico, the members drink a chicory coffee... mixed with milk and tons of sugar this stuff is DELISH (rumor has it, thats its actually good for you)! I'm not sure what the members do out here in the Netherlands, as I haven't been to church out here just yet, but I know they have to do something. Hot drinks are such a huge part of the culture.

I dont know, I feel kind of odd at the moment, having actually read what the WofW is saying (finally, lol), and am thoroughly confused at how its being applied. To me it is a word of wisdom, advice given that you may choose to follow or not follow, or pick and chose what works for you. If you want to drink some tea, then by golly, drink some tea... You might run and be a little weary, walk, and possibly faint... but I personally don't think it will affect your salvation. :D

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Re: Green tea

Post by Heber13 » 03 May 2010, 13:08

cwald wrote:THANK YOU for saying so Brian. I get this, and I have also felt the same impression from God on this issue. What's the big deal - except for what we make of it... Even on this website, with the exception of DA, I was feeling pretty "alone".
Believe me, cwald...I think you are not as alone as you may feel sometimes. ;)

I am right there with ya on this topic...I truly believe the WoW has become something over time that is rooted in people trying to live a principle...but that doesn't mean it IS the principle. I was recently traveling for work, and had a thought one morning...I could have a cup of coffee with my breakfast. It isn't a big deal...but I kept thinking that the fact that I'm thinking about specifically having some bothered me, as if I was trying to rebel. I don't ever drink coffee, or tea, and I don't believe either has any "magical" spirit blocking substance in them. It is no big deal, except that I've been taught that being mormon includes abstaining from these and I still consider myself mormon (cafeteria style). If you were to blind-fold me and have me drink several drinks and one of them was tea...would my body all of sudden lose physical and spiritual blessings? Nope. It would just be another drink.

To me, it is what I make it. So I don't have to fight it because I don't care about it. And if I went out of my way to "Break" it, I think that would mean I do care because I'm trying to do something I wouldn't normally do. To me, it is like swearing. They are just words and sounds...I really don't think God cares. But if my intent is to swear to disrespect someone else...than those words now bring a thought process and an intent that is worthy of God judging my heart around why I would do that. I think that is what God cares about inside of me...what is going on in my head and heart.

I'm not saying anything about anyone else's choices...just mine...and that is I don't care about it. Never had tea, never see a need for it...and spiritually I have more important things to think about. I don't mean to belittle the topic, because for months I studied it out, so I respect others who choose to handle it differently and want to study the meaning like I did. I'm just sharing where I got to...and that is that I feel God has told me the same thing...it doesn't matter except how it makes me think about it and my behavior towards it. I've never broken the commandment, but I don't have a testimony in it.
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Re: Green tea

Post by Curt Sunshine » 03 May 2010, 13:49

For me, there are so many "acceptable alternatives" that already are allowed in other countries and cultures that I don't get into a huff about it. I also believe that there are lots of instances where it's better to ask for understanding or forgiveness than for permission.

So, my own "advice" is to follow to the very best of your ability your own understanding of what the spirit of the WofW means, not intentionally excuse stuff that obviously is out of bounds by any reasonable stretch (like drinking liquor), and answer openly and honestly, "Yes," when asked if you obey the WofW in a temple recommend interview.

If it ain't spelled out, it ain't spelled out - so, by all that's holy and intelligent, don't ask someone to spell it out.

Yes, sometimes we ask too many questions.
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Re: Green tea

Post by Rix » 03 May 2010, 13:53

Ray Degraw wrote: Yes, sometimes we ask too many questions.
And that about says it all!

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Re: Green tea

Post by SamBee » 03 May 2010, 16:53

PressingForward wrote:And who washes their bodies with Jack Daniels? (I might just have to start a new bathing routine :P )
Actually I do. I use surgical alcohol to get rid of excess dirt on my face. I've used whisky at least once. I never use soap to wash my face.

And the bit about tobacco and cattle? That's for real. It really does work on some sick cattle, so I'm told.

I was having to cut down my coffee consumption before rejoining the church anyway. It was giving me an unpleasant side effect...
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Re: Green tea

Post by cwald » 03 May 2010, 19:32

SamBee wrote:And the bit about tobacco and cattle? That's for real. It really does work on some sick cattle, so I'm told.
My dad used it to "worm" calves. He also used it to "worm" children. I don't recommend it. But it does work - especially if the cat is using the sand pit for a litter box. Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience. :cry:
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Re: Green tea

Post by Cadence » 03 May 2010, 20:35

I say drink any tea you want. Avoid things that are bad for you, partake of those that are good. Do not rely on a contradictory doctrine to guide you to health. Use your common sense. I can no longer try and parse the WofW into what is OK and what is forbidden. It becomes a matter of splitting hairs.
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Re: Green tea

Post by PressingForward » 04 May 2010, 09:17

SamBee wrote:I use surgical alcohol to get rid of excess dirt on my face.
Come to think of it, my husband does the same thing after he uses clippers to "edge" his hair. I guess I was just thinking if alcohol in the 'what we consume' sense. But I see from what you've said, whisky works as well. Will definitely pass the word along! :)
cwald wrote:Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience. :cry:
Gross! But definitely good to know.... lol
Cadence wrote:I say drink any tea you want. Avoid things that are bad for you, partake of those that are good. Do not rely on a contradictory doctrine to guide you to health. Use your common sense. I can no longer try and parse the WofW into what is OK and what is forbidden. It becomes a matter of splitting hairs.
Agreed. I just think its important to note this this is not in scripture a commandment, but a word of wisdom. So like you said, use your common sense.

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Re: Green tea

Post by Brian Johnston » 04 May 2010, 09:44

The part about hard alcohol being used to wash our bodies, in my opinion, relates to early prototype endowment ritual in Kirtland, which is also the location where Section 89 was "revealed." The two concepts are contemporary to me.

Even though I do not practice the WofW in a currently orthodox way, I firmly believe in the idea. I think it was divinely inspired, and it is also very practical -- both personally and for society in a secular sense.
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